permaculture

["Lawrence F. London, Jr." <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>]

Kevin Topek wrote:

> I'll agree with one point of your scree against Toby's comment, that  
> it was 

distracting, misleading misinformation if not disinformation...
especially when I think of just my own committment to promoting and 
educating about self-sufficiency and independence, growing your own food 
and networking (= extended community) with others _near and far_ who can 
supply you with what you cannot grow.

> utter horse manure. What Toby said was nutrient dense (full of  
> thought provoking ideas), will improve with age (while those concepts  
> sink into one's thoughts) and will allow for future growth with time  
> (those concepts will work their way into making a better system).

yes, it will compost naturally and acquire a full array of beneficial 
organisms to enhance our garden soil - I hear horse manure is commonly 
used to jumpstart failed municipal sewage digesters because it is so 
full of the right microbes - nowadays those are probably cultured for 
industry use on demand

> I do produce a lot of our food intake from a small urban plot. I have  
> recently had food thieves. It is driving me crazy with anger. I have  
> shared so much from my yard with friends, family, neighbors, my  
> employees and subcontractors. Then this is the thanks I get.

That's the way things are these days. You could put up a big 2 legged 
"deer" fence; 12' would be easy with 4X4 PT posts or 10' steel T posts.
Have an inner 4' or 5' woven electric hog fence for additional 
protection - roach motel concept - they get stranded inside giving you 
time to call 911; reduced liability for you because they had already 
broken in over the outer fence - you have a right to have an electric 
fence for small wildlife predators.

> I can not produce my own cereals, fats, chocolate or meats on this  
> space. I leave that to those who do it more efficiently and better.  
> Toby is calling for a balanced approach and view. He is also entitled  
> to his opinion. Besides he actually casts a large shadow with his  
> written word.

If it becomes a popular idea for everyone to try and become food 
self-sufficient in a bioregion then, with urban and rural farms 
involved, trying to meet the needs of a limited number of customers or 
coop members only in their immediate locale, then you just might be able 
to have enough cereals, nuts, fruits, herbs to go around with the rest 
of the growers supplying vegetables or other services in barter or for 
sale but through their immediate network.coop/extended 
community/bioregion. My computer/web-based idea for a national food,
services and real goods production, marketing and distribution network 
would serve the needs of and inter/intralink each node in each community 
in each  town, each area, each region, each state, each national region
and finally the whole nation.

> There are some naysayers saying a lot here. I wonder how many trees  
> they have planted recently. How many gardens have they planted this  
> year. How much walk do they put behind their big talk. I'm tired and  
> dirty from planting all day and most every other one too. Are you?

Yes. You can see my work in my Facebook page. I'll copy the galleries to 
my blog which is public. Are you on Facebook? Anyone else on Facebook 
want to get linked up - we have a big permaculture community so far; 
good reading each day.

Cheers, Kevin.
I am wondering what will happen to the rock garden on the creek banks 
behind the Warren house. That's a big piece of property, prime for 
infill$$$$$$. Wouldn't it be nice if it was preserved and the house and 
its English cottage garden restored.