permaculture

["Lawrence F. London, Jr." <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>]

georg parlow wrote:

> i agree with the idea, that community need self-reliant members. but  
> self-reliance is a mindset, not an occupation. from my point of view  
> it doesnt make sense, to be i-do-it-all homesteader next to other i-do- 
> it-all homesteaders, and we have no time to talk or share,

That is exactly the way it should be "i-do-it-all homesteader next to 
other i-do-it-all homesteaders" and of course you/all would have time to 
talk and share and build community and work, not just as individuals but 
as a community, one that interrelates with neighboring communities with 
bioregions implementing maximum communication, exchange of resources, 
share, barter and sell with the entire system. It is exactly as stated:
"I totally agree about the need for strong community.  But communtiy
without members having self-reliance is in serious trouble." I advocate 
maximum self-reliance, self-sufficiency and independence for each node 
in the system, each member of each family in each community, as a 
mindset and certainly as a primary endeavor and in some cases primary or 
secondary occupation.
It's different where you are in Austria, George, as I see it, everything 
has its place and systems are well organized and fixed to some degree or 
another. Here in the USA we are back to the frontier days, i.e. we need 
to build order out of chaos, more now than ever before.
Again I refer to:
> I totally agree about the need for strong community.  But communtiy
> without members having self-reliance is in serious trouble.  Uh, like
> the situation we are in now, for instance.  You have to start
> somewhere.  Why not your own backyard?.
georg parlow wrote:
> why not apply the concept of
> sensible cooperation to community? and i certainly see this as a  
> delicate matter - because we have to find the optimum balance between  
> the extreme specialization and thus alienation we have now in our  
> societies, and the one-man one-gun one-garden approach you seem to  
> advocate here.

See above and many of my other posts about building communities within 
bioregions with in-depth resource networking.