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Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification..
- From: "Kirby Fry" <peace@totalaccess.net>
- To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification..
- Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:33:22 -0500
Toby,
I'm a big fan of Ken Wilbur, especially his book,
"The Theory of Everything," and have mentioned in the past that our solutions
need to be genuinely holistic and include: internal first person - I, internal
second person - we, external first person - the human body or single organisms,
and external second person - societies and ecosystems.
It seems to me that Bill has avoided the internal
aspects of permaculture as part of a holistic solution (the woo woo aspect of
things) so there are at least two areas that need rounding out and now the
permaculture community is coming to grips with the need for, and fear of,
developing and enhancing the external second person aspect of the permaculture
equation.
Folks in progressive movements are shy of (also
read as, "loathe") hierarchies because they have been so abused by leaders and
beauracracy, but no matter how we squirm or shy away hierarchies exist and are a
part of the natural order, so just like in the ecological landscape where we
pride ourselves on mirroring natural systems so too in our social dealings do we
need to mirror natural arrangements.
It's only natural that the Pc community
develop a heirachy for reaching out and authenticating ourselves to the U.S. and
world at large. The trick is to avoid creating artificial or unnatural
authority for those functioning at the top of such a hierarchy. Their roll
should be to help organize and unify and make the larger picture available to
those of us on the ground having a great time in our "cool backyard
gardens."
While I am for developing more resources, and a
clearer structure and options for people who want to teach permaculture I feel
that it should be done on a voluntary basis. Those who want to
increase their teaching skills and confidence, and make better syllabus and
curricula available for the teaching community should have the options and
resources to do so. What I'm not for is people taking a teacher's course
and then declaring that anyone else who wants to teach should also have to take
a similar course.
It's much like the way the human brain works.
Our original neural pathways become obsolete as the brain develops and creates
more efficient pathways for communicating information to the body.
However, the brain doesn't do away with the old pathways, it still uses them
unlike say a city street where a trolley car system becomes outdated and gets
ripped up and completely replaced with a bullet train or freeway.
I believe that there is room for both old pathways
and new.
Kirby Fry
For the real scoop on environmental and social
justice issues check out Democracy Now! http://www.democracynow.org/
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[permaculture] Hierarchies and certification..,
Marsha Hanzi, 07/07/2003
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[permaculture] Cults & Fetishes (was: Hierarchies and certification..),
Eugene F. Monaco, 07/07/2003
- Re: [permaculture] Cults & Fetishes (was: Hierarchies and certification..), Loren Davidson, 07/08/2003
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Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification..,
John Schinnerer, 07/07/2003
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Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification..,
Toby Hemenway, 07/08/2003
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Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification..,
Kirby Fry, 07/08/2003
- [permaculture] internal aspects, John Schinnerer, 07/08/2003
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Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification..,
Kirby Fry, 07/08/2003
- Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification.., John Schinnerer, 07/08/2003
- Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification.., Rick Valley, 07/09/2003
- [permaculture] Awareness and effects, John Schinnerer, 07/08/2003
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Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification..,
Kirby Fry, 07/08/2003
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Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification..,
Russ Grayson, 07/08/2003
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Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification..,
John Schinnerer, 07/09/2003
- Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification.., Russ Grayson, 07/09/2003
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Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification..,
georg parlow, 07/10/2003
- [permaculture] absolute basics, Lance Bermudez, 07/14/2003
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Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification..,
John Schinnerer, 07/09/2003
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Re: [permaculture] Hierarchies and certification..,
Toby Hemenway, 07/08/2003
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[permaculture] Cults & Fetishes (was: Hierarchies and certification..),
Eugene F. Monaco, 07/07/2003
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