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- From: John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com>
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- Subject: Re: [nafex ibiblio list] NAFEX fora
- Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:32:43 -0800 (PST)
Lawrence,
Thank you for this post. It will take me a while to work through the
resources reference in it but appears valuable to me.
I also appreciate the article about Lingonberries, very worthwhile but not
seen often enough. I would, however, quibble that lingonberry fruits are not
like cranberries except for tartness and that the article did not mention the
variety "Ida", which in my garden is far superior to the 7+ other named
varieties (including some of those mentioned in the article), produces two
crops and more fruit than the others.
Thank you for your efforts on our behalf.
John
--- On Tue, 12/20/11, Lawrence F. London, Jr. <lflj@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> From: Lawrence F. London, Jr. <lflj@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [nafex ibiblio list] NAFEX fora
> To: "nafex ibiblio mailing list" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Tuesday, December 20, 2011, 11:36 PM
> On 12/20/2011 9:11 PM, Claude
> Jolicoeur wrote:
>
> > And as Rivka says, the Pomona printed journal has
> > taken a lot of its material from the list - and
> > as far as I recall, even issues not that old
> > still used material from this list
>
>
> For what its worth there are other forums where useful
> information may
> be gleaned and used in publications. Here are fruit
> archives I put
> together over the years, mostly back in the 1990's:
> http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/orgfarm/fruit/
> Among other documents this contains saved articles from two
> Usenet
> newsgroups, sci.agriculture.fruit and
> alt.agriculture.fruit, when they
> were active. There may be much useful material in this
> archive, all
> viewable online or downloadable. This kind of thing used to
> be freely
> distributed on the Internet often as arrays of FAQs. The
> Usenet
> newsgroup archives will need to be downloaded and viewed
> with an ascii
> text editor (wordpad, textpad or other). There's plenty of
> spam mixed in
> with the good articles, unfortunately.
>
> Here are samples of the content:
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/orgfarm/fruit/faqs/Dr.Razbys-berry-info/
> Dr.Razbys.Berry-News
> 19-Apr-1995 23:10 2.9K
> raspberry.faq
> 19-Apr-1995 23:08 10K
>
> raspberry.growing+research 19-Apr-1995
> 23:09 4.5K
> wild-blueberry.faq
> 19-Apr-1995 23:08 11K
> http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/orgfarm/fruit/faqs/
> Dr.Razbys-berry-info/
> 20-Apr-1995 00:59 -
>
> Fruit-Newsgroup.draft-FAQ 15-Aug-1996
> 23:06 1.7K
> INDEX 23-Apr-1995
> 23:28 268
>
> The-Mighty-Lingonberry.by-R.E.Gough
> 03-Oct-1994 10:45 9.6K
> blueberry.faq
> 18-Jul-1994 13:29 6.0K
> currant-facts.RB
> 03-Nov-1999 21:58 17K
>
> fruit-tree-grafting.faq.1-95 30-Jul-1993
> 21:59 5.1K
>
> fruit.tree.grafting.faq 09-Aug-1993
> 19:03 4.8K
> gardening-FAQs.txt
> 31-Oct-1999 16:08 6.5K
> rare-fruit.faq
> 01-Aug-1993 22:04 2.0K
>
> some-gardening-FAQs-on-the-Web 31-Oct-1999
> 16:08 4.3K
> tangerine-mandarin.faq
> 03-Mar-1994 13:11 32K
> tangerine.faq
> 17-Feb-1993 11:11 4.4K
> tangerine.faq.new
> 23-Apr-1993 22:43 18K
>
> Date: 23 Apr 93 17:29:13 EDT
> From: Rick Harrison <71174.2735@CompuServe.COM>
> Subject: Tangerine FAQ [revised]
>
> A DIRECTORY OF MANDARINS / TANGERINES AND THEIR
> HYBRIDS 1993.04
> Rick Harrison, PO
> Box 54-7014, Orlando FL 32854, USA
> Internet e-mail: 71174.2735@compuserve.com
> phone: 407-645-3031
>
> Mandarins/tangerines are citrus fruits and trees of the
> species
> _Citrus_reticulata_ Blanco. They are distinguished
> from other citrus
> species by the relatively loose skin of the fruits, the
> relative ease
> with which the segments can be separated, and (in most
> cultivars) the
> green cotyledons. Most varieties also contain
> chemical compounds not
> found in other citrus species: _thymol_ in the leaves and
> _tangeretin_
> in the fruits. Some experts consider the varieties
> King, Satsuma,
> Cleopatra and Ponkan to be separate species unto
> themselves.
>
> If you live in an area that doesn't have hard freezes, you
> can grow
> tangerine trees outdoors; they usually require little
> attention after
> they have established themselves. In colder areas,
> they can be grown
> in greenhouses or in portable containers. Although I
> am trying to
> gather data on all known varieties, I have limited this
> list to
> varieties readily available in the United States and
> varieties of
> commercial importance elsewhere.
>
> hardiness = tolerance to cold; season = when the fruit is
> ripe (this
> varies depending on climate); holds = how well the fruit
> lasts on the
> tree after maturing; size, shape, base, apex, etc. =
> description of fruit
>
> +-----------+
> | mandarins |
> +-----------+
>
> variety: Clementine (a.k.a. Algerian)
> tree: medium, spreading or
> weeping habit, nearly thornless
> leaves: dark green above and
> lighter on underside; dense foliage
> season: Dec Jan Feb
> holds: well
> size: medium, diam. 2 to
> 2.5, height 2 to 2.75
> shape: globose to ovoid, somewhat
> irregular
> base: evenly rounded to
> slightly necked, with radiating furrows
> apex: depressed
> axis: large, hollow
> color: deep orange-red
> surface: smooth, glossy, slightly pitted
> rind: medium thick, 1/8 to
> 3/16, loose
> oil glands: prominent, large, elliptical, depressions over
> primary ones
> segments: 8 to 12, slight adherence
> pulp: tender, melting, deep
> orange
> flavor: sweet
> seeds: 0 to 6, medium size, oblong to
> fusiform; embryo pistache green
> history: discov in Algeria, came to FL 1909
> notes: seedless and self-fertile in
> some relatively arid climates,
> but
>
> requires pollination from Dancy, Kinnow,
> Orlando, Valencia
> in FL;
>
> produces best fruit in deserts of
> California and Arizona; an
>
> important commercial variety in the
> Mediterranean area
>
> variety: Cleopatra (a.k.a. Spice)
> tree: low, spreading, dense
> foliage, attractive
> leaves: small, dark green
> season: Jan Feb
> size: small, up to 2 inch
> diam.
> shape: oblate
> base: flat
> apex: depressed, generally
> navel marked
> color: deep red-orange
> surface: somewhat rough
> rind: very loose, up to 1/8
> thick
> pulp: coarse-grained,
> orange
> flavor: tart
> seeds: numerous, small
> history: came from Jamaica to Florida before
> 1888
> notes: used as rootstock for other
> varieties; possibly identical
> with
> Ponki, which is used as a rootstock in Japan
>
> variety: Dancy (formerly a.k.a. Moragne,
> Bijou)
> hardiness: hardy
> tree: medium-large, erect,
> nearly thornless
> leaves: broadly lanceolate, 3 to
> 4.75 inches long
> season: Nov Dec Jan
> holds: fair
> size: medium, diam. 2.25 to
> 3, height 1.5 to 2.125
> shape: oblate
> base: usually necked, more
> or less corrugated
> apex: broadly depressed
> color: deep red-orange
> surface: smooth, glossy
> rind: thin, 1/8 to 3/16,
> leathery, easily removed
> segments: 10 to 14, easily separated
> pulp: melting, tender, dark
> orange
> vesicles: short, broad, relatively large
> flavor: rich and sprightly,
> pleasant aroma
> seeds: 6 to 20, short, blunt or
> beaked; cotyledons pistache green
> history: introduced into cultivation 1871
> notes: Does best in Florida.
> Recently this variety's susceptibility
> to
> alternaria has been a problem in commercial groves.
>
> variety: Dweet
> category: mandarin (hybrid: Dancy x
> Mediterranean)
> tree: medium, open habit
> season: late
> size: medium-large
> shape: ovoid with a slight neck
> color: red-orange
> flavor: rich
> notes: does well in coastal and
> interior California
>
> variety: Emperor
> season: Nov Dec Jan Feb
> size: large, avg. diam.
> 2.5, height 1.75
> shape: oblate, sometimes has a "neck"
> color: pale orange
> base: sometimes necked
> rind: moderately thin, easy
> to peel
> segments: 9 to 10, sometimes irregular
> pulp: pale orange color
> seeds: 10 to 16, long and pointed
> notes: widely grown in Australia early
> in 20th century
>
> variety: Encore
> category: mandarin (hybrid: King x
> Mediterranean)
> tree: medium,
> upright/spreading habit, few or no thorns
> season: Mar Apr May Jun
> holds: well
> color: yellow-orange speckled with
> dark orange-to-brown spots
> rind: easily peeled
> flavor: rich
> seeds: many
> history: introduced by University of
> California at Riverside;
>
> consumers often assume the dark spots on
> the rind are
> a sign
> of decay
>
> variety: Honey
> category: mandarin (hybrid: King x
> Mediterranean)
> tree: medium-to-large,
> vigorous, spreading
> season: early
> holds: well
> size: small to medium
> color: yellow-orange
> rind: easily peeled
> flavor: very sweet
> seeds: many
> notes: beware of name confusion;
> Murcott tangors are sometimes
> called
> "Honey tangerines"; Minneola is a.k.a. Honeybell.
> Honey
> is a commercial variety in California.
>
> variety: Kara
> category: mandarin (hybrid: Owari Satsuma
> x King)
> hardiness: sensitive
> tree: medium, vigorous,
> spreading, nearly thornless
> leaves: large, dark green, with
> drooping habit
> season: Mar Apr May
> holds: fair
> size: medium, diam. 2 to 3,
> height 2.125 to 2.75
> shape: medium oblate to nearly
> globose, often somewhat conical
> color: orange
> surface: moderately grained
> rind: thin-to-medium, 1/8
> to 1/5, loose, tough
> oil glands: numerous, medium size; oil is abundant,
> aromatic
> flavor: rich flavor, strong
> pleasant unique aroma
> seeds: 12 to 20, plump, yellow-tinged
> or yellow-green cotyledons
> history: H B Frost, CA Citrus Experiment
> Station, 1935
> notes: best in interior California;
> sometimes grown for its juice
>
> variety: King (a.k.a. King of Siam)
> hardiness: hardy
> tree: upright, medium size,
> relatively open foliage
> leaves: large, 3 to 4.25, broadly
> lanceolate, margins slightly crenate
> season: Mar Apr May
> size: large, diam. 2.5 to
> 3.75, height 2.25 to 3.5 inches
> shape: oblate to near spherical
> base: rounded or somewhat
> necked, wrinkled with short radiating
> furrows
> apex: flattened or
> depressed, marked by characteristic areole
> color: yellow-orange to orange
> surface: rough and bumpy
> rind: thick, 3/16 to 5/16,
> tight but easily removed
> oil glands: large, depressions over main ones give finely
> pitted appearance
> flavor: rich and sprightly
> seeds: 5 to 15 or more, fusiform,
> plump, beaked, white cotyledons
> history: from Saigon to Riverside CA 1880; to
> Winter Park FL 1882
> notes: susceptible to sun scald due to
> thin foliage, limb breakage
> due
> to
> over-bearing; might be identical to Kunenbo grown in Japan
>
> variety: Kinnow
> category: mandarin (hybrid: King x
> Willow-leaf)
> hardiness: very hardy
> tree: vigorous, large,
> erect, dense
> leaves: medium size, rather thin
> and pliable
> season: Jan Feb Mar Apr
> holds: well
> size: medium, diam. 2.125
> to 3, height 2 to 2.5
> shape: slightly oblate
> color: deep yellow-orange
> surface: smooth, glossy, easily scars
> rind: thin, 1/8, leathery,
> fairly easy to peel
> oil glands: conspicuous, oil is abundant and aromatic
> flavor: rich, high sugar and
> moderate acid, unique pleasant aroma
> seeds: 12 to 24, medium size,
> yellowish cotyledons
> history: H B Frost, CA Citrus Experiment
> Station, 1935
> notes: reportedly has outstanding
> flavor, attractive appearance;
>
> probably will do better in CA and AZ than
> in FL
>
> variety: Pixie
> category: mandarin (offspring of Kincy)
> tree: medium-large, with
> erect open habit
> season: Apr May Jun
> size: small to medium
> color: yellow-orange
> rind: easily peeled
> flavor: mild
> seeds: none
>
> variety: Ponkan (a.k.a. Warnurco, Chinese
> Honey Orange, Batangas)
> hardiness: hardy? tender? (different sources give
> different data)
> tree: small, upright
> season: Nov Dec
> holds: fair
> size: large, diam. 2.75 to
> 3.25
> shape: globose to oblate
> base: flattened or somewhat
> necked, with irregular furrows
> apex: deeply depressed,
> with radiating furrows, sometimes with navel
> axis: large, hollow
> color: orange
> surface: smooth or finely papillate
> rind: medium thick, loosely
> adherent
> flavor: sweet, aromatic
> seeds: few, small, plump, nearly
> smooth; green embryos
> history: from China to FL 1892
>
> variety: Satsuma (a.k.a. Unshiu)
> hardiness: very hardy (to 12'F when dormant)
> tree: small to medium,
> spreading, slow-growing
> leaves: (depends on strain)
> season: Sep Oct Nov
> size: medium to large
> shape: oblate to spherical or slightly
> conical
> color: orange to yellow-orange
> surface: slightly rough
> rind: thin, 1/8 to 3/16,
> tight but easily peeled
> oil glands: large and numerous
> flavor: good, low acid
> seeds: few
> history: originated in Japan circa 1600,
> Japan to USA 1876
> notes: pulp ripens before rind changes
> color; there are many
> different
>
> strains, including Owari, Wase, Ikeda,
> Mikado; rootstock and
> soil
> influence fruit quality; mutations and throwbacks common
>
> variety: Wilking
> category: mandarin (hybrid: King x
> Willow-leaf)
> hardiness: hardy
> tree: medium, vigorous,
> columnar, dense
> leaves: medium size, up to 4.75
> inches long
> season: Jan Feb Mar Apr
> holds: fair
> size: medium, diam. 2.125
> to 3.125, height 1.75 to 3
> shape: oblate
> color: deep yellow-orange
> surface: coarsely grained to nearly smooth
> rind: thin to medium, 1/8
> to 1/6, brittle, loose
> oil glands: medium size, numerous, conspicuous; oil
> abundant, aromatic
> flavor: rich, good, high sugar,
> moderate acid, distinctive aroma
> seeds: 10 to 17, mostly plump,
> yellow-green cotyledons
> history: developed by H Frost, CA Citrus
> Experiment Station, 1935
>
> variety: Willow-leaf (a.k.a. Mediterranean,
> China)
> hardiness: hardy
> tree: small to medium,
> broad, with fine willowy branches
> leaves: small, narrow, lanceolate
> season: Nov Dec Jan
> holds: poorly
> size: medium, diam. 2 to
> 2.5, height 1.75 to 2.25
> shape: oblate to globose
> color: yellow-orange
> surface: smooth, glossy, segmentation
> visible
> rind: thin, 1/16 to 1/8,
> loose
> flavor: sweet, flavorful,
> distinctly aromatic
> seeds: 15 to 20
> history: from Italy to Louisiana circa 1845
> notes: needs a hot, non-humid climate
> for best fruit
>
> +-----------------------------+
> | tangerine x tangelo hybrids |
> +-----------------------------+
>
> variety: Fairchild
> category: (hybrid: Clementine x Orlando)
> tree: medium, rounded,
> dense, nearly thornless
> season: early
> holds: fair
> size: medium-size
> color: deep orange
> flavor: sweet, rich
> seeds: many
> history: developed by J R Furr, released
> 1964
> notes: does best in the low deserts of
> California and Arizona;
> needs
> to be pollinated by other mandarins for best production
>
> variety: Lee
> category: (hybrid: Clementine x Orlando)
> hardiness: hardy
> season: Oct Nov Dec
> size: medium
> surface: smooth
> rind: adherent
> flavor: good
> history: developed by F E Gardner, released
> by USDA 1959
> notes: pulp ripens before peel
> develops full orange color
>
> variety: Nova
> category: (hybrid: Clementine x Orlando)
> season: early
> size: medium to large
> shape: oblate
> color: orange
> rind: medium-thick,
> adherent but peelable
> history: developed by F E Gardner, released
> by USDA in 1964
>
> variety: Page
> category: (hybrid: Minneola x
> Clementine)
> tree: medium, round, dense
> foliage, few thorns
> season: Nov Dec
> holds: well
> size: small-to-medium
> shape: nearly spherical (can pass for
> an orange)
> color: orange
> rind: medium-thin
> flavor: rich
> history: developed by F E Gardner, released
> by USDA 1963
> notes: produces best fruit when
> pollinated by other varieties;
> "great
> choice for fresh juice lovers"
>
> variety: Robinson
> category: (hybrid: Clementine x Orlando)
> hardiness: hardy
> season: Oct Nov Dec
> color: yellow-orange to orange
> size: medium
> flavor: mild (actually _bland_ in
> my humble opinion)
> history: developed by F E Gardner, introduced
> in 1959
> notes: best when pollinated by a
> tangelo or tangor; susceptible to
> twig
> and stem dieback
>
> variety: Sunburst
> category: (hybrid: Robinson x Osceola)
> hardiness: hardy
> season: Nov Dec Jan
> flavor: sweet
> history: introduced in 1979, developed by Dr.
> C. Jack Hearn
> notes: best when pollinated by other
> varieties; resistant to
> citrus
> snow scale; vulnerable to citrus rust mite
>
> +----------+
> | tangelos |
> +----------+
>
> variety: K-Early
> category: probably a tangelo
> season: early -- the earliest
> mandarin
> notes: developed by H J Webber and W T
> Swingle; fruit tends to
> be
> bitter, with low sugar and low acid; grown by unscrupulous
>
> producers who get a high price for early
> fruit; K-Early looks
> like
> Orlando tangelo, and the resulting guilt-by-association
> has
> reduced the commercial market for Orlando tangelos
>
> variety: Minneola (a.k.a. Honeybell)
> category: tangelo (Duncan x Dancy)
> hardiness: hardy
> tree: medium-large,
> vigorous, round
> leaves: dark green, large
> season: Dec Jan Feb
> holds: well
> size: large
> shape: globose-ovoid with distinct
> "neck"
> color: red-orange
> rind: thick, brittle
> flavor: rich, tangy
> seeds: less than 10 on average
> notes: best when pollinated by Dancy,
> Clementine, Kinnow, Temple
>
> variety: Orlando (a.k.a. Lake)
> category: tangelo (Duncan x Dancy)
> hardiness: "more cold-tolerant than Minneola"
> tree: dark, distinctively
> cupped leaves
> season: Nov Dec Jan
> size: medium-large
> color: orange
> rind: strongly adherent
> flavor: mildly sweet
> history: bred by W T Swingle in 1911,
> released in 1931
> notes: best when pollinated by Dancy,
> Clementine, Kinnow, Temple;
> will
> grow in deserts of CA and AZ
>
> variety: Seminole
> category: tangelo (Dancy x Duncan)
> tree: medium to large,
> vigorous
> season: Feb Mar Apr
> holds: fair
> size: medium-large
> color: red-orange
> rind: easily peeled
> flavor: sprightly, tangy
> seeds: many (22 average)
> history: released 1931
>
> +---------+
> | tangors |
> +---------+
>
> variety: Ambersweet
> category: tangor+ ([Clementine x Orlando]
> x sweet orange)
> hardiness: hardy
> season: Oct Nov
> size: 3 to 3.5 diam.
>
> variety: Fallglo
> category: (hybrid: Bower x Temple)
> season: Oct Nov
> history: released by USDA 1987
>
> variety: Murcott
> category: tangor
> hardiness: semi-sensitive
> tree: medium, upright
> season: Jan Feb Mar
> size: medium
> color: yellow-orange
> surface: smooth and somewhat glossy
> rind: thin, tight but
> peelable
> flavor: sweet, rich
> seeds: 18 to 24
> history: probably the result of Swingle's
> breeding experiments,
> the
> parent tree lost its identification tag in transit to
> Safety
> Harbor FL in 1913.
> notes: slightly susceptible to scab
> fungus and xyloporosis
>
> variety: Tangerona
> category: tangor
> hardiness: sensitive
> season: Sep Oct
> size: small
> shape: roundish oblate
> color: yellow-orange
> rind: tight
> flavor: (reportedly) excellent
> seeds: many
> history: from Brazil to FL circa 1890
>
> variety: Temple
> category: probably a tangor (parents
> unknown)
> hardiness: tender
> tree: spreading, bushy,
> somewhat thorny
> leaves: medium size
> season: Jan Feb Mar Apr
> holds: fair
> size: medium-large, diam.
> 2.5 to 3.25, height 2.25 to 2.5
> shape: oblate to spherical
> color: orange to red-orange
> surface: slightly pebbled or rugose
> rind: medium thick, 1/8 to
> 3/16, loose and peelable, leathery
> oil glands: spherical to elliptical
> segments: 10 to 12
> pulp: tender, melting,
> orange
> vesicles: medium size, fusiform
> flavor: rich and spicy
> seeds: average 20, medium, plump
> history: originated in Winter Park FL,
> distrib Buckeye Nurseries 1917
> notes: somewhat susceptible to scab
>
> variety: Umatilla
> category: tangor (Owari Satsuma x Ruby
> orange)
> season: late
> size: large
> color: red-orange
> surface: smooth
> history: bred by W T Swingle in 1911,
> released in 1931
> notes: good quality; fruit is size and
> shape of King
>
> +--------------+
> | bibliography |
> +--------------+
>
> Hume, H. Harold; Citrus fruits and their culture; 1904
> Jackson, Larry K.; Citrus growing in Florida; 3rd edition,
> University
> of Florida Press, 1991
> Sturrock, David; Fruits for southern Florida; Southeastern
> Printing Co, 1959
> Webber & Batchelor, editors; The citrus industry --
> history, botany and
> breeding; University of California, 1943
>
> */ end of file /*
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