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Hello Richard,
I know I'm very slow on the
uptake, but I would appreciate a cutting or two of varieties you think would be
OK in a pot (set outside in summer). Zone 6 middle TN.
Thanks. Hector (Black)
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Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:22
PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pomegranate
Give me your address and I will try to get some
cuttings of "Sverkhranniy" to you in February. I am compling a list of
interested people for testing various cold hardy Russian/Central Asian
varieties and and will only want shipping cost (which is very little) and a
report back sometime in the future. It is interesting that this variety
was a slected variety from a group
seedling pomegranates that came from seed that was "irrateated" and caused
some of the seedlings to mutate. It is the earliest ripening variety of
pomegranate known at present and as such it "may" not require as many heat
units although that is not proven. It is also a soft-seeded variety and as
such it will not stand as much cold as some of the other varieties I have been
talking about but is a consideration for a potted plant in zone 4/5. As you
probably know the pomegranates that we have in this country nearly all
orignated in Spain (at least the parents of the present varieties) and a
few other places in Southern Europe and North Africa. All these places have
the varieties that are adapted to the warmer conditions. The pomegranate is
believed to have orignated in the mountains of Persia (Iran) and Southern
Central Asia, a colder enviorment than Spain/Southern Europe. So these
varieties that I have been talking about are just getting back to genes that
the orignal wild pomegranates had. I appreciate you interest.
Richard Ashton
7b/8a Central Texas
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Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 4:14
PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pomegranate
You've spurred my interest -- how would I get one of those
varieties to try, especially Severkhrannly?
Lee Reich, PhD
Books by Lee Reich:
Uncommon Fruits for Every
Garden
A Northeast Gardener's
Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless Gardening
On Dec 3, 2005, at 11:47 AM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:
As you know, zone 4/5 is just too cold for in
ground pomegranates, pots are the only way.
There is a variety called "Severkhranniy" the
name means super early that ripens in some areas in early August. It is a
sweet tasting variety. The very early ripening, dispenses with the need
for long summers and some of the heat requirements. Now as to blooming and
setting fruit, most of the varieties that have been tried were breed in
either Florida or California, the orignal wild
pomegranates in Central Asia have been blooming and setting
fruit in a cold climate for centuries. The varieties that have
been breed/found in the colder areas of Russia/Central Asia are a better
bet to bloom and set fruit in cooler area it appears. The pomegranate
is a very adaptable plant if natural selection is used.
There are very low growing wild pomegranates growing in areas
of Central Asia with winter temperatures of 15
below(F).
You are very right about the standard US
varieties not being worth the trouble in these colder areas.
There are a lot of other factors that
those I just mentioned above, to achieve good fruiting, that is why site
testing is needed for these Russian/Central Asian varieties.
Richard Ashton
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005
9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX]
Pomegranate
I got around the winter kill problem for pomegranates
here in zone 4/5 by growing my plant in a pot which I kept in cool
storage after it went dormant for the winter. The problem is that after
5-10 years, the plant had still never bloomed. I finally got rid of the
plant. Any suggestions, beyond the obvious, for the lack of blossoming?
It seems to me that another limitation for pomegranate in the in
the northern areas of eastern U.S. would be that there would be
insufficient heat and time to ripen the fruits well. Not to mention
untimely rains splitting the fruits open. All of which is why I chose to
grow mine in pots, where I could get the plants growing early and then
ripen them, if needed, in the greenhouse.
Lee Reich, PhD
Books by Lee Reich:
Uncommon Fruits for Every
Garden
A Northeast Gardener's
Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless Gardening
On Dec 2, 2005, at 11:03 PM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:
Are you in 6a or
6b? 6b is down to -5 and there are some
possible varieties that might work. 6a at down to -10 is a little
chancey but worth a try. Since pomegranates bear fruit on new wood you
do not have to worry about buds being killed. If you have a winter
snow cover then there is also a variety that might work (under
the snow cover).
But to state again 6b is a good
possibility with the new (in the US) Russian/Central Asian
varieties. The varieties that I would recommend are "Kazake" or
"Salavatski". "Agat" if under snow cover (a low growing, good
fruiting
pomegranate). If want to try one let me
know and I will try to see that you get one to try, but pomegranates
like a lot of fruit trees do not reach their best cold hardiness until
about the third year and would need to be somewhat protected the first
two years.
Richard Ashton
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005
8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX]
Pomegranate
On Dec 1, 2005, at 2:02 PM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:
How many of you are interested in
pomegranates. It seems that many people think they are too much
trouble to eat. They are somewhat troublesome, but some think they
are worth the trouble. The easiest way to
utilize them is to juice them with a common citrus/orange press,
that's just a pressure press not the kind with the reamer as that
kind will get the partation material and skin into the juice and
that is bitter (tannin). There are a lot of new varieties
available now and some cold hardy ones.
Richard Ashton
zone 7b/8a Central
Texas
I am interested in pomegranate, but here in zone 6, I think I
will have to content myself with indoor plants. If anyone
knows of a pomegranate hardy to zone 6, though, I'd be excited to
try it.
Ginda
eastern MA, zone 6
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