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Thanks very much. My address is Hector
Black, 170 Hidden Springs Ln. Cookeville, TN 38501
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:39
PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pomegranate
I will see what we have left when cuttings are
taken in February. The best variety for a pot is probably "Sverkhranniy"
(Super Early) and I just do not know how many cuttings I will get but there
are some other early varieties that might work. A lot of these varieties
are young plants since they have just been in the USA a very few years.
Give me your address and I will put you down.
Thanks for your interest.
Richard Ashton
7b/8a - AHS Heat Zone 9
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:40
PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pomegranate
Hello Richard,
I know I'm very slow on the
uptake, but I would appreciate a cutting or two of varieties you think would
be OK in a pot (set outside in summer). Zone 6 middle TN.
Thanks. Hector (Black)
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Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005
7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX]
Pomegranate
Give me your address and I will try to get
some cuttings of "Sverkhranniy" to you in February. I am compling a
list of interested people for testing various cold hardy
Russian/Central Asian varieties and and will only want shipping cost
(which is very little) and a report back sometime in the future. It
is interesting that this variety was a slected variety from a group seedling pomegranates that came from
seed that was "irrateated" and caused some of the seedlings to mutate. It
is the earliest ripening variety of pomegranate known at present and as
such it "may" not require as many heat units although that is not proven.
It is also a soft-seeded variety and as such it will not stand as much
cold as some of the other varieties I have been talking about but is a
consideration for a potted plant in zone 4/5. As you probably know the
pomegranates that we have in this country nearly all orignated in
Spain (at least the parents of the present varieties) and a few
other places in Southern Europe and North Africa. All these places have
the varieties that are adapted to the warmer conditions. The pomegranate
is believed to have orignated in the mountains of Persia (Iran) and
Southern Central Asia, a colder enviorment than Spain/Southern Europe. So
these varieties that I have been talking about are just getting back to
genes that the orignal wild pomegranates had. I appreciate you
interest.
Richard Ashton
7b/8a Central Texas
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Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005
4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX]
Pomegranate
You've spurred my interest -- how would I get one of
those varieties to try, especially Severkhrannly?
Lee Reich, PhD
Books by Lee Reich:
Uncommon Fruits for Every
Garden
A Northeast Gardener's
Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless Gardening
On Dec 3, 2005, at 11:47 AM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:
As you know, zone 4/5 is just too cold
for in ground pomegranates, pots are the only way.
There is a variety called "Severkhranniy"
the name means super early that ripens in some areas in early August.
It is a sweet tasting variety. The very early ripening, dispenses with
the need for long summers and some of the heat requirements. Now as to
blooming and setting fruit, most of the varieties that have been tried
were breed in either Florida or California, the orignal wild
pomegranates in Central Asia have been blooming and setting
fruit in a cold climate for centuries. The varieties that
have been breed/found in the colder areas of Russia/Central Asia are a
better bet to bloom and set fruit in cooler area it appears. The
pomegranate is a very adaptable plant if natural selection is
used. There are very low growing wild pomegranates growing in
areas of Central Asia with winter temperatures of 15
below(F).
You are very right about the standard US
varieties not being worth the trouble in these colder areas.
There are a lot of other factors
that those I just mentioned above, to achieve good fruiting, that is
why site testing is needed for these Russian/Central Asian
varieties.
Richard Ashton
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Sent: Saturday, December 03,
2005 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX]
Pomegranate
I got around the winter kill problem for pomegranates
here in zone 4/5 by growing my plant in a pot which I kept in cool
storage after it went dormant for the winter. The problem is that
after 5-10 years, the plant had still never bloomed. I finally got
rid of the plant. Any suggestions, beyond the obvious, for the lack
of blossoming?
It seems to me that another limitation for pomegranate in the
in the northern areas of eastern U.S. would be that there would be
insufficient heat and time to ripen the fruits well. Not to mention
untimely rains splitting the fruits open. All of which is why I
chose to grow mine in pots, where I could get the plants growing
early and then ripen them, if needed, in the greenhouse.
Lee Reich, PhD
Books by Lee Reich:
Uncommon Fruits for Every
Garden
A Northeast Gardener's
Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless
Gardening
On Dec 2, 2005, at 11:03 PM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:
Are you in 6a or
6b? 6b is down to -5 and there are some
possible varieties that might work. 6a at down to -10 is a little
chancey but worth a try. Since pomegranates bear fruit on new wood
you do not have to worry about buds being killed. If you have a
winter snow cover then there is also a variety that might
work (under the snow cover).
But to state again 6b is a good
possibility with the new (in the US) Russian/Central Asian
varieties. The varieties that I would recommend are "Kazake"
or "Salavatski". "Agat" if under snow cover (a low growing, good
fruiting
pomegranate). If want to try one let
me know and I will try to see that you get one to try, but
pomegranates like a lot of fruit trees do not reach their best
cold hardiness until about the third year and would need to be
somewhat protected the first two years.
Richard Ashton
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 02,
2005 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX]
Pomegranate
On Dec 1, 2005, at 2:02 PM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:
How many of you are interested in
pomegranates. It seems that many people think they are too
much trouble to eat. They are somewhat troublesome, but some
think they are worth the trouble. The
easiest way to utilize them is to juice them with a
common citrus/orange press, that's just a pressure press not
the kind with the reamer as that kind will get the partation
material and skin into the juice and that is bitter (tannin).
There are a lot of new varieties available now and some cold
hardy ones.
Richard Ashton
zone 7b/8a Central
Texas
I am interested in pomegranate, but here in zone 6, I think
I will have to content myself with indoor plants. If
anyone knows of a pomegranate hardy to zone 6, though, I'd be
excited to try it.
Ginda
eastern MA, zone 6
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