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Give me your address and I will try to get some
cuttings of "Sverkhranniy" to you in February. I am compling a list of
interested people for testing various cold hardy Russian/Central Asian
varieties and and will only want shipping cost (which is very little) and a
report back sometime in the future. It is interesting that this variety was
a slected variety from a group seedling
pomegranates that came from seed that was "irrateated" and caused some of the
seedlings to mutate. It is the earliest ripening variety of pomegranate known at
present and as such it "may" not require as many heat units although that is not
proven. It is also a soft-seeded variety and as such it will not stand as much
cold as some of the other varieties I have been talking about but is a
consideration for a potted plant in zone 4/5. As you probably know the
pomegranates that we have in this country nearly all orignated in Spain
(at least the parents of the present varieties) and a few other places in
Southern Europe and North Africa. All these places have the varieties that are
adapted to the warmer conditions. The pomegranate is believed to have orignated
in the mountains of Persia (Iran) and Southern Central Asia, a colder enviorment
than Spain/Southern Europe. So these varieties that I have been talking about
are just getting back to genes that the orignal wild pomegranates had. I
appreciate you interest.
Richard Ashton
7b/8a Central Texas
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Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 4:14
PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pomegranate
You've spurred my interest -- how would I get one of those
varieties to try, especially Severkhrannly?
Lee Reich, PhD
Books by Lee Reich:
Uncommon Fruits for Every
Garden
A Northeast Gardener's Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless Gardening
On Dec 3, 2005, at 11:47 AM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:
As you know, zone 4/5 is just too cold for in
ground pomegranates, pots are the only way.
There is a variety called "Severkhranniy" the
name means super early that ripens in some areas in early August. It is a
sweet tasting variety. The very early ripening, dispenses with the need for
long summers and some of the heat requirements. Now as to blooming and
setting fruit, most of the varieties that have been tried were breed in
either Florida or California, the orignal wild
pomegranates in Central Asia have been blooming and setting
fruit in a cold climate for centuries. The varieties that have
been breed/found in the colder areas of Russia/Central Asia are a better bet
to bloom and set fruit in cooler area it appears. The pomegranate is a
very adaptable plant if natural selection is used. There are very
low growing wild pomegranates growing in areas of Central Asia with
winter temperatures of 15 below(F).
You are very right about the standard US
varieties not being worth the trouble in these colder areas.
There are a lot of other factors that
those I just mentioned above, to achieve good fruiting, that is why site
testing is needed for these Russian/Central Asian varieties.
Richard Ashton
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005
9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX]
Pomegranate
I got around the winter kill problem for pomegranates here
in zone 4/5 by growing my plant in a pot which I kept in cool storage
after it went dormant for the winter. The problem is that after 5-10
years, the plant had still never bloomed. I finally got rid of the plant.
Any suggestions, beyond the obvious, for the lack of blossoming?
It seems to me that another limitation for pomegranate in the in the
northern areas of eastern U.S. would be that there would be insufficient
heat and time to ripen the fruits well. Not to mention untimely rains
splitting the fruits open. All of which is why I chose to grow mine in
pots, where I could get the plants growing early and then ripen them, if
needed, in the greenhouse.
Lee Reich, PhD
Books by Lee Reich:
Uncommon Fruits for Every
Garden
A Northeast Gardener's
Year
The Pruning Book
Weedless Gardening
On Dec 2, 2005, at 11:03 PM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:
Are you in 6a or
6b? 6b is down to -5 and there are some possible
varieties that might work. 6a at down to -10 is a little chancey but
worth a try. Since pomegranates bear fruit on new wood you do not have
to worry about buds being killed. If you have a winter snow cover then
there is also a variety that might work (under the snow cover).
But to state again 6b is a good possibility
with the new (in the US) Russian/Central Asian varieties. The
varieties that I would recommend are "Kazake" or "Salavatski".
"Agat" if under snow cover (a low growing, good fruiting
pomegranate). If want to try one let me
know and I will try to see that you get one to try, but pomegranates
like a lot of fruit trees do not reach their best cold hardiness until
about the third year and would need to be somewhat protected the first
two years.
Richard Ashton
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005
8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX]
Pomegranate
On Dec 1, 2005, at 2:02 PM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:
How many of you are interested in
pomegranates. It seems that many people think they are too much
trouble to eat. They are somewhat troublesome, but some think they
are worth the trouble. The easiest way to utilize
them is to juice them with a common citrus/orange press, that's just
a pressure press not the kind with the reamer as that kind will get
the partation material and skin into the juice and that is bitter
(tannin). There are a lot of new varieties available now and some
cold hardy ones.
Richard Ashton
zone 7b/8a Central
Texas
I am interested in pomegranate, but here in zone 6, I think I
will have to content myself with indoor plants. If anyone knows
of a pomegranate hardy to zone 6, though, I'd be excited to try
it.
Ginda
eastern MA, zone 6
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