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["Mark Lee" <markl@nytec.com>]

I should have done more research yesterday before I posted my message.  The
Stone Pine I grow is Italian Stone Pine (Pinus pinea).  I purchased the seed
from JL Hudson, which now has a catalog on-line.  It is rated as growing at
a moderate rate and hardy in zone 7.  It starts producing nuts after 15
years.  The Swiss Stone Pine is much different.  It is rated as growing at a
slow rate and hardy in zone 4.  It starts producing nuts after 30 years.
This information is based on facts from the PFAF database
http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/D_search.html
and from my own experience.  The PFAF database says both of these pinenut
species produce more nuts if two or more trees are available to cross
pollinate.  If you live in zone 7 or warmer, I would recommend Italian Stone
Pine for nut production since it will save you an additional 15 years wait
for the first nut crop.
-Mark Lee, Seattle

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Subject: [JunkMail] Re: [NAFEX] Pine nuts and Paw-Paw seeds


I have 5 Swiss Stone Pines that are in the 10-12 foot range.  I get some
cone production, but have yet to find a seed that wasn't a blank.  Will this
problem "cure" itself in time?  I thought perhaps that my trees were too
similar genetically and might not be suitable for pollinizing each other.  I
purchased them B&B from a Minnsesota nursery about 10 years ago, all at the
same time.

Steve herje, Lone Rock, WI USDA zone 3
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Lee" <markl@nytec.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pine nuts and Paw-Paw seeds


> David,
> My Swiss Stone Pine was 13 years old before it produced it's first nuts.
It
> is 18 years old now and about 15 feet high.  I have a Pinyon Pine (New
> Mexico seed source) that is even older.  It is only 3 feet high and has
> never shown any signs of making cones.  There is probably a pinenut tree
> that can thrive in whatever environmental niche you have.
> -Mark
>
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> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of David Consolvo
> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 12:38 PM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: [JunkMail] Re: [NAFEX] Pine nuts and Paw-Paw seeds
>
>
> I planted a Swiss pine about seven years ago and two Korean pines about
five
> years ago, happy to wait the 20 years I'd heard it takes for them to start
> producing.  I figured the longer the wait the more satisfying the nuts.
>
> But it seems I'll have even longer to wait, as the Swiss pine is only a
> spindly six feet tall and the Korean pines, though very full and health
> looking, are only about three feet tall.  A friend's pine nut tree is
15-20
> years old and is about the same size.  I'd heard they need the right
> mycorhiz....fungus in the soil to grow well, and that white pines have it,
> so I'd dug up soil around two different white pine patches and spread
around
> my pine nut trees.  Perhaps that's why mine have soared so fast at half a
> foot a year.
>
> Later I tried planting seeds of pine nuts, but got no germination.  I was
> surprised to see how hard the shell is for such small nuts.  I make lots
of
> pesto from scratch with store-bought pine nuts, which is time consuming
> enough, but if I had to crack open each shell it would take all day!
>
> David Consolvo
> Hungrytown, Virginia
> Zone 7
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Gene Spears" <Spears@LMC.edu>
> Reply-To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date:  Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:56:49 -0500
>
> >
> > I am wondering if anyone has first-hand experience with Korean pine
nuts,
> or any of the edible pine nuts.  How productive are the trees, how tasty
are
> the nuts and how difficult are they to prepare for eating?  I'm thinking
of
> planting a few here in NW NC (zone 6 - southern ski country) but would
like
> to hear from someone who has some experience with them.
> > I'm also curious whether anyone has information on the edibility of
> paw-paw (Asimina) seeds.  The fruit I've run across is chock full of big
> seeds - any use for these besides making more paw-paw trees?
> >
> >thanks in advance,
> >
> >gene
> >spears@lmc.edu
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