Mounted search and rescue

[JULIE FRANCO <snowyridgeranch@yahoo.com>]

chuck, please take me off your e-mail list, i have tried many time to 
unsubscribe and it will not take....please do this for me,I would really 
appreciate it.

Chuck Daniel <iwhound@voyager.net> wrote:  Cross Training with CERT for SAR 
or MSAR is valuable. I took the CERT 
training a year ago and the NIMS training also. The local CERT training 
also provided the necessary equipment that Irv mentioned. We all received a 
back pack with small adjustable wrenches, goggles, dust mask, flash light, 
duct tape, gloves, cutters, ect..

The point is, whether you are a ground pounder or mounted, one must be aware 
of the manmade environment and how to deal with the disasters. A MSAR is 
first and foremost a SAR then a MSAR and must be able to exist for 48 hours 
or better on our own. The first thing the CERT training stated was that 
help may not be available for 48 hours. It is your responsibility to have 
assets available for yourself, family and the victims.

Over the last several years we saw how well FEMA and EMC worked in the gulf 
coast. It wasn't until Katrina hit LA that we saw how a defunct and missed 
managed LOCAL EMC worked. To say that the federal government failed was 
wrong, the first line of defense is at the local level. Thus, crossing 
training is valuable since you will be the first line of defense. I guess 
I'm beginning to stray; you cans see were my politics are ........sorry

Chuck


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Irvin: Please personallytake me off your e-mail list, I am unable to 
unsubscribe and I have a tremendous list of chatter from you people, please 
delete Me! thanks!

irvin lichtenstein <ilichten1@verizon.net> wrote:  Disaster cross training 
should already be done in most SAR units. Community
Emergency Response Teams (CERT) training outline is basically what we used
to call Advanced First Aid and now call Wilderness First Aid (splinting,
carrying, shock for longer waits for outside help) and turning off
residential utilities at the meters. In PECO Energy territory you cannot
pull the electric meters because they are sealed so the best you can do is
enter the property and switch off the main breaker or pull the fuses. There
is a quarter turn valve on gas meters, which may be inside or outside the
property. The same for water, except that meter isolation valves are rarely
closed in homes and often don't work. There are either no curb cocks or they
are buried and you need a street key anyway. So you can't effectively secure
street leaks or most properties.

Working in rubble or in a city as opposed to on a trail in the forest is
just another working environment. If the footing is lousy (loose, shifting,
full of puncture possibilities) it is no place for a horse regardless. I
have run into low energized wires in the woods as well as in the city. And I
know dog handlers that bought Kevlar booties for their dogs. Anybody make a
Kevlar or steel sole plate overshoe for a horse? We wear steel toes and
soles to fight fires and people frequently get stuck in the foot in nice
houses.

It all comes down to risk and benefit-- use the resource with the least risk
and the most benefit.

Irv Lichtenstein

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Yes, that is part of CERT training. Also included is fire safety, terrorism 
/ WMD overview, disaster psychology, structure damage assessment and search 
(and related markings), etc.

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Jorene Downs
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "irvin lichtenstein" <ilichten1@verizon.net>
> Disaster cross training should already be done in most SAR units. 
> Community
> Emergency Response Teams (CERT) training outline is basically what we used
> to call Advanced First Aid and now call Wilderness First Aid (splinting,
> carrying, shock for longer waits for outside help) and turning off
> residential utilities at the meters. [...]