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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer
- From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
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- Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer
- Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:26:38 -0600
I did make a fleeting mention of that. We've started multiplying comfrey this
year and digging up a few plants for transplant makes a lot of roots
sprouting in spring. Use leaves for compost or surface mulch. And there's
alfalfa. We buy alfalfa meal in bulk to save the labor and expense of
composting green alfalfa hay, and it mixes uniformly in a wheelbarrow with
screened manure and bone meal to all work into the beds. That gets the greens
and browns close together. I like having all these ingredients decompose
right in the soil where the soil microbes are instead of composting
separately. We're seeing better and better results from basically dead soil
to begin with, and got to a point where no-till now saves a lot of labor.
paul tradingpost@lobo.net
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On 9/25/2010 at 8:37 AM Harvey Ussery wrote:
>Unless I missed it in the thread, I don't think anyone has mentioned
>very deep rooted fertility plants (dynamic accumulators) in the
>equation. Certain plants with extremely deep roots "mine" the deep
>subsoil of minerals not available in the top layers of the soil profile.
>When they die or shed their leaves on going dormant, the minerals become
>available to more shallow rooted crops. Of course, they can be cut and
>applied elsewhere as mulches or to make compost.
>
>Examples are alfalfa (which has been found to grow roots as much as 23
>ft deep) and comfrey (roots 8 to 10 feet)--there are many others.
>
>I read the observation somewhere that in a typical soil profile there is
>enough mineral fertility in the depths to support agricultural
>production for 100,000 years. A fanciful claim, perhaps, but it
>illustrates the value of certain useful plants that can serve as "pumps"
>of deep subsoil mineral fertility.
>
>~Harvey
>
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer
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- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, paul, 09/24/2010
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[Livingontheland] improving soil reference,
Debbie McDonald, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] improving soil reference,
Ken Hargesheimer, 09/25/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] improving soil reference, Debbie McDonald, 09/26/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] improving soil reference,
Ken Hargesheimer, 09/25/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, John D'hondt, 09/24/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
pbunch, 09/23/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
John D'hondt, 09/24/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, pbunch, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Harvey Ussery, 09/25/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, Dieter Brand, 09/25/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, Tradingpost, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
John D'hondt, 09/24/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Tradingpost, 09/24/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
pbunch, 09/24/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Tradingpost, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Ken Hargesheimer, 09/25/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, Tradingpost, 09/25/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, pbunch, 09/26/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Ken Hargesheimer, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Dieter Brand, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Harvey Ussery, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Emery Mitchamore, 09/25/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, Harvey Ussery, 09/27/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Emery Mitchamore, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Harvey Ussery, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Tradingpost, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
pbunch, 09/24/2010
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