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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer
- From: "John D'hondt" <dhondt@eircom.net>
- To: "Healthy soil and sustainable growing" <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer
- Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:09:36 +0100
This is probably the main reason that the Viking colonies on Greenland died out. They had to go farther and farther to make hay for their cows and sheep until it was no longer possible to lay in enough stores for the winter.
In our milder and wet conditions the most important additive to soil is carbon in any shape or form. This is food for micro organisms that can take their nitrogen straight from the air. Almost any rain here will have some minerals from the sea in it especially during storms and micro organisms again will capture these and hold on to them. Eventually you get good soil.
Carbon is easy to get from even farther away than the extensively cropped fields.
john
Interesting point. I wonder if anyone has calculated the ratio(s) between the the amount of extensively cropped land and the amount of intensively farmed land required to provide a given level of nutrients available for transport. This of course would vary for different climatic and grazing systems.
It might be more efficient from the point of view of nutrient harvesting to directly compost the extensively grown materials since there is a loss from uncollected urine. Trying to push such a system too far would likely result in degradation of the extensively farmed areas over time as the nutrients would be exported and not replaced. Catch-22?
---- Dieter Brand <diebrand@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thus America a century ago had two separate systems of food production.
These two systems always existed side by side, and still do in many parts of the World, but they are not “separate”, since the intensively farmed kitchen garden depends on the fertility input from the fields, in particular from the grazing land, mostly in form of manure. Thus the “intensively” farmed kitchen garden is only possible because of the fertility inputs from the “extensively” farmed fields.
Dieter Brand
Portugal
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
pbunch, 09/23/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Dieter Brand, 09/23/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, Tradingpost, 09/24/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
pbunch, 09/24/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, paul, 09/24/2010
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[Livingontheland] improving soil reference,
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Re: [Livingontheland] improving soil reference,
Ken Hargesheimer, 09/25/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, John D'hondt, 09/24/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Dieter Brand, 09/23/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
pbunch, 09/23/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
John D'hondt, 09/24/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, pbunch, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Harvey Ussery, 09/25/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, Dieter Brand, 09/25/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, Tradingpost, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
John D'hondt, 09/24/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Tradingpost, 09/24/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
pbunch, 09/24/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Tradingpost, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Ken Hargesheimer, 09/25/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, Tradingpost, 09/25/2010
- Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer, pbunch, 09/26/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Ken Hargesheimer, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
Tradingpost, 09/25/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
pbunch, 09/24/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer,
pbunch, 09/23/2010
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