Healthy soil and sustainable growing

["John D'hondt" <dhondt@eircom.net>]

Tommy,
I really don't think the difference in carbon foot print between vegetables, 
grains, soy bean or dairy and meat is of the slightest importance. When 
TSHTF large scale agriculture is going to stop, shops will go empty and 
transport will slow down to a snail's crawl.
This means that most people will start to starve at that stage and that 
anything that is edible will be eaten. Maybe there are a few of us capable 
of producing food for more people than ourselves but none of us can feed 
even the nearest small town for very long.

We have a few things happening at the moment that could very well, each on 
their own, mean the end of our species and every single day of the week I 
get several mails to that effect. Taken all together I think mankind has no 
chance at all. Maybe a good thing too because we are not a good species to 
have around in fragile space ship Earth.

The hopeful detail though is that when our numbers go very low we might just 
pull of to come out as a better, improved species.

And why should "we" not have access to meat and dairy. Without going into 
details, I fully expect my family will have plentiful access to just that. 
We milk two cows and five goats by hand, produce our own rennet. Make 3 two 
kilo hard rounds of cheese per week, butter, kefir and soft cheese as much 
as we want. What is most important is the knowledge of how to do things and 
we do have that.
Unfortunately it is clear to us that if people wanted to start doing the 
same thing that it would be very difficult to do in troubled times. We 
reccon it takes about two years run in time to do everything needed and at 
the moment it may already be too late to start and solve all problems before 
TSHTF. It took us 5-6 years to solve the rennet problem for instance. The 
amount of nonsense written about this subject is enormous and it simply does 
not work.
john

> Does this study remain valid when/if Peak Oil, climate change, and
> economic collapse are factored into its assumptions?  Meat and dairy
> have a lot more of a carbon footprint than vegetables, especially from
> established beds, unless we're talking about homestead chickens/rabbits,
> etc.
>
> What the BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico is teaching us, too late, is
> that there is not a way to safely produce deepwater oil with current
> technology.  BP spends $1 billion/month cleaning up and trying to plug
> the well they let get away from them.  Ocean-going ships are no longer
> able to access Mississippi River grain export facilities.  After this
> thing ripples through Gulf state economies, the tens of millions of
> refugees will make the Katrina diaspora look insignificant.  Richard
> Heinberg today on Energy Bulletin.net says BP's mess may take down the
> US (and harm the British) economy
> http://www.energybulletin.net/node/53168.  Over time, Richard has been
> near 100% correct in his predictions.
>
> The only reason BP's drilling in mile (or more) deep water is because
> the easily gotten commercially viable shallow water and land deposits
> are gone, meaning cheap oil is gone, which is what Peak Oil always
> meant.  When oil goes over $80/barrel, the US economy staggers, and
> Michael Ruppert says we'll have $200/barrel by the end of this summer
> because BP is deepwater drilling's Three Mile Island.  Ruppert says he's
> right 80% of the time.
>
> What this seems to indicate, to me, is that we will be eating whatever
> the immediate twenty miles or so produces, and a significant portion of
> that will be what we can produce ourselves.  Keeping our diets healthy
> may become a challenge.
>
> It seems certain, however, that we will not have the access to meat and
> dairy that this study assumes.
>
> Smiles.
> Tommy
>
> On 6/20/10 1:47 PM, pbunch@cox.net wrote:
> > This Cornell study indicates that largely vegetarian diets with small 
> > amounts of meat and dairy products may provide more effective land use 
> > than vegan diets.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/332pxro
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