Healthy soil and sustainable growing

["Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>]

Tommy, I'd like to say Heinberg describes the worst case scenario but it's 
not even close. And I have tried to avoid focusing too much on sky falling 
material. What's relevant here is how events potentially affect our food 
security and unfortunately we just can't take it all for granted as most of 
us have in our lifetimes. Too many factors are upon us already and more 
threaten, which I've referred to as a "perfect storm". I sincerely don't want 
the worst or anything close. The David DeGraw piece is partly speculative but 
does bring out evidence that hasn't seen daylight yet in the mainstream 
media. The unnerving thing about it is Barb was trying to tell me weeks ago 
that there's something ominous about the spill, that it's on a fault line or 
something where it's all wrong to be punching a hole. His article raises the 
possibility of losing Florida. I have a daughter in Florida, soon to be on 
the west coast in fact - the Gulf side.


Will the BP Oil Spill Set Off A Tsunami?
June 18th, 2010
http://daviddegraw.org/2010/06/will-the-bp-oil-spill-set-off-a-supersonic-ts
unami/

Methane and Climate Change: From the Amazon to the Gulf of Mexico
June 20, 2010 09:40 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nikolas-kozloff/methane-and-climate-chang_b_61
8804.html

EATING FOSSIL FUELS by Dale Allen Pfeiffer
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/100303_eating_oil.html

Why Our Food is So Dependent on Oil  Friday, 01 April 2005
http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/portal/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=563

Richard Heinberg: Fifty Million Farmers
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Archives2008/HeinbergFiftyMillion.html


paul tradingpost@lobo.net
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On 6/21/2010 at 1:03 PM Tommy Tolson wrote:

>Does this study remain valid when/if Peak Oil, climate change, and
>economic collapse are factored into its assumptions?  Meat and dairy
>have a lot more of a carbon footprint than vegetables, especially from
>established beds, unless we're talking about homestead chickens/rabbits,
>etc.
>
>What the BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico is teaching us, too late, is
>that there is not a way to safely produce deepwater oil with current
>technology.  BP spends $1 billion/month cleaning up and trying to plug
>the well they let get away from them.  Ocean-going ships are no longer
>able to access Mississippi River grain export facilities.  After this
>thing ripples through Gulf state economies, the tens of millions of
>refugees will make the Katrina diaspora look insignificant.  Richard
>Heinberg today on Energy Bulletin.net says BP's mess may take down the
>US (and harm the British) economy
>http://www.energybulletin.net/node/53168.  Over time, Richard has been
>near 100% correct in his predictions.
>
>The only reason BP's drilling in mile (or more) deep water is because
>the easily gotten commercially viable shallow water and land deposits
>are gone, meaning cheap oil is gone, which is what Peak Oil always
>meant.  When oil goes over $80/barrel, the US economy staggers, and
>Michael Ruppert says we'll have $200/barrel by the end of this summer
>because BP is deepwater drilling's Three Mile Island.  Ruppert says he's
>right 80% of the time.
>
>What this seems to indicate, to me, is that we will be eating whatever
>the immediate twenty miles or so produces, and a significant portion of
>that will be what we can produce ourselves.  Keeping our diets healthy
>may become a challenge.
>
>It seems certain, however, that we will not have the access to meat and
>dairy that this study assumes.
>
>Smiles.
>Tommy
>
>On 6/20/10 1:47 PM, pbunch@cox.net wrote:
>> This Cornell study indicates that largely vegetarian diets with small
>amounts of meat and dairy products may provide more effective land use
>than vegan diets.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/332pxro
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