Healthy soil and sustainable growing

[<pbunch@cox.net>]

Actually the validity of the article is limited to New York State and areas 
where agricultural practices are similar. The assessment depends on rotation 
of pasture crops with others. One would have to make a similar local or 
regional study to determine how the idea applies to ones own area.

It probably is not valid here in Colombia where most dairy and meat cattle 
are raised on permanent pasture. The vast majority of grazing here is a 
disaster. The reduction in biodiversity, erosion, wasted land methane 
generation ans so on are significant problems.



---- Tradingpost <tradingpost@lobo.net> wrote: 
> 
> Tommy, I'd like to say Heinberg describes the worst case scenario but it's 
> not even close. And I have tried to avoid focusing too much on sky falling 
> material. What's relevant here is how events potentially affect our food 
> security and unfortunately we just can't take it all for granted as most of 
> us have in our lifetimes. Too many factors are upon us already and more 
> threaten, which I've referred to as a "perfect storm". I sincerely don't 
> want the worst or anything close. The David DeGraw piece is partly 
> speculative but does bring out evidence that hasn't seen daylight yet in 
> the mainstream media. The unnerving thing about it is Barb was trying to 
> tell me weeks ago that there's something ominous about the spill, that it's 
> on a fault line or something where it's all wrong to be punching a hole. 
> His article raises the possibility of losing Florida. I have a daughter in 
> Florida, soon to be on the west coast in fact - the Gulf side.
> 
> 
> Will the BP Oil Spill Set Off A Tsunami?
> June 18th, 2010 
> http://daviddegraw.org/2010/06/will-the-bp-oil-spill-set-off-a-supersonic-ts
> unami/
> 
> Methane and Climate Change: From the Amazon to the Gulf of Mexico
> June 20, 2010 09:40 PM
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nikolas-kozloff/methane-and-climate-chang_b_61
> 8804.html     
> 
> EATING FOSSIL FUELS by Dale Allen Pfeiffer 
> http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/100303_eating_oil.html
> 
> Why Our Food is So Dependent on Oil  Friday, 01 April 2005 
> http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/portal/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=563
> 
> Richard Heinberg: Fifty Million Farmers
> http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Archives2008/HeinbergFiftyMillion.html
> 
> 
> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> 
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> 
> On 6/21/2010 at 1:03 PM Tommy Tolson wrote:
> 
> >Does this study remain valid when/if Peak Oil, climate change, and 
> >economic collapse are factored into its assumptions?  Meat and dairy 
> >have a lot more of a carbon footprint than vegetables, especially from 
> >established beds, unless we're talking about homestead chickens/rabbits, 
> >etc.
> >
> >What the BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico is teaching us, too late, is 
> >that there is not a way to safely produce deepwater oil with current 
> >technology.  BP spends $1 billion/month cleaning up and trying to plug 
> >the well they let get away from them.  Ocean-going ships are no longer 
> >able to access Mississippi River grain export facilities.  After this 
> >thing ripples through Gulf state economies, the tens of millions of 
> >refugees will make the Katrina diaspora look insignificant.  Richard 
> >Heinberg today on Energy Bulletin.net says BP's mess may take down the 
> >US (and harm the British) economy 
> >http://www.energybulletin.net/node/53168.  Over time, Richard has been 
> >near 100% correct in his predictions.
> >
> >The only reason BP's drilling in mile (or more) deep water is because 
> >the easily gotten commercially viable shallow water and land deposits 
> >are gone, meaning cheap oil is gone, which is what Peak Oil always 
> >meant.  When oil goes over $80/barrel, the US economy staggers, and 
> >Michael Ruppert says we'll have $200/barrel by the end of this summer 
> >because BP is deepwater drilling's Three Mile Island.  Ruppert says he's 
> >right 80% of the time.
> >
> >What this seems to indicate, to me, is that we will be eating whatever 
> >the immediate twenty miles or so produces, and a significant portion of 
> >that will be what we can produce ourselves.  Keeping our diets healthy 
> >may become a challenge.
> >
> >It seems certain, however, that we will not have the access to meat and 
> >dairy that this study assumes.
> >
> >Smiles.
> >Tommy
> >
> >On 6/20/10 1:47 PM, pbunch@cox.net wrote:
> >> This Cornell study indicates that largely vegetarian diets with small
> >amounts of meat and dairy products may provide more effective land use
> >than vegan diets.
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/332pxro
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