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["Shea Tisdale" <shea AT sheatisdale.com>]

I'm glad to hear that.  I went to college and shot pictures with Tony who
owns Southeastern.

- Shea Tisdale
 
Every generation has an obligation to improve the world. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:internetworkers-
> bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lyman Green
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:28 PM
> To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> 
> Well,
> I'd like to thank everyone for their input on this issue.
> After my visit to Wolf Camera, I had pretty much decided I liked the
> feeling
> of the Nikon D70 more than the Canon Digital Rebel.  I ended up going to
> Southeastern Camera in Cary today and buying the Nikon, a 1GB CF card, a
> neutral lense filter for protection, and a carrying bag.
> 
> It was the same cost as at Wolf Camera, so it was a better choice in my
> mind
> to buy it from a local place rather than a chain like Wolf.
> 
> They seemed like very nice guys and I was glad to give them their
> business.
> We talked for almost an hour and they didn't rush me or pressure, and they
> gave me their opinions.  It was a lot of money but I do not think I will
> regret my choice.
> 
> Again, thanks to everyone for their input.
> 
> Lyman Green
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce" <bruce AT synthesiscreative.com>
> To: "'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'"
> <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:41 PM
> Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> 
> 
> >I was only 1/2 serious.  But the 1/2 that was serious stood at attention
> > with the "more experience than others" comment was made.  Sorry - I
> > couldn't help myself, I had to pull rank:)
> >
> > -b
> >
> >
> >
> > Bruce DeBoer
> > Director of Marketing and Business Development
> > Synthesis
> > 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
> > Raleigh, NC  27601
> > Main: 919-523-6385
> > Fax: 919-829-8299
> > bruce AT synthesiscreative.com
> > www.synthesiscreative.com
> > Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Shea
> > Tisdale
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:46 PM
> > To: 'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'
> > Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> >
> > Sorry Bruce, no intended disrespect.
> >
> > - Shea Tisdale
> >
> > Every generation has an obligation to improve the world.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:internetworkers-
> >> bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Bruce
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:52 PM
> >> To: 'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'
> >> Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> >>
> >> Wow - I get no respect.  www.brucedeboer.com
> >>
> >> However - I agree 150% with you Shea.
> >>
> >> I've used/owned:
> >>
> >> Canon FTb
> >> Canon A-1, F-1, F-1n
> >> Nikon F, f2, f3, f4, Nikkormat ftn
> >> 4x5, 8x10 Sinar F, F2, p, p2, c
> >> Hasselblad C, CM, 503, ELM, ELX
> >>
> >> I was one of the original beta testers for Kodak's digital 35mm
> > cameras
> >> back in the late 80's.  Shall I go on?
> >>
> >> -b
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bruce DeBoer
> >> Director of Marketing and Business Development
> >> Synthesis
> >> 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
> >> Raleigh, NC  27601
> >> Main: 919-523-6385
> >> Fax: 919-829-8299
> >> bruce AT synthesiscreative.com
> >> www.synthesiscreative.com
> >> Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Shea
> >> Tisdale
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:42 PM
> >> To: 'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'
> >> Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> >>
> >> As the only other individual on here with as much or more experience
> > in
> >> photography as David, I'm going to weigh in here and tell you the true
> >> facts.
> >>
> >> At a given price point both system are about equal.  At any given time
> >> one
> >> system will exceed the other slightly, but the balance will tip next
> >> time
> >> the other company releases their camera. And, either system is far
> > more
> >> capable than you will be as the user.  (I wish I could find the link,
> >> but a
> >> group of professional photographers used disposable point and shoots
> > for
> >> an
> >> art project, and their work was amazing).
> >>
> >> In general in digital Canon is recognized as being the leader and on
> > the
> >> cutting edge.  And Nikon is recognized as being a bit behind in terms
> > of
> >> pixels, resolution and sharpness, but more reliable as far as their
> >> software
> >> goes.
> >>
> >> So I recommend you find models from both companies that have the
> >> features
> >> you want and then see which one feels the best to you, fits your hand
> >> best,
> >> and that you like more.  And buy that one.  Afterall, it's just like
> > the
> >> silly mac versus pc debate.  The only correct answer to either is the
> >> one
> >> that makes you happy.
> >>
> >> - Shea Tisdale
> >>
> >> Former owner of:
> >>
> >> Canon AE-1
> >> Canon T-90
> >> Canon F-1
> >> Nikon FM2
> >> Nikon F3
> >> Nikon F3 Titanium
> >> Nikon F3P (one of 5000 ever made)
> >> Nikon F4
> >> Canon XL-1 video camera
> >>
> >> And current owner of a Canon D20
> >>
> >> And I've also owned or used every almost every piece of glass you can
> >> imagine from a 15mm to a 400mm f/2.8
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> [mailto:internetworkers-
> >> > bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of David Minton
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:14 PM
> >> > To: InterNetWorkers
> >> > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> >> >
> >> > For those that have weathered the Mac vs. Windows holy war, looks
> > like
> >> the
> >> > Canon vs. Nikon conflagration is about to spill into
> > Internetworkers.
> >> >
> >> > David
> >> >
> >> > On 2/8/05 4:59 PM, "Bruce" <bruce AT synthesiscreative.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Not going to argue the point.  My experience tells me otherwise.
> >> > >
> >> > > Bruce DeBoer
> >> > > Director of Marketing and Business Development
> >> > > Synthesis
> >> > > 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
> >> > > Raleigh, NC  27601
> >> > > Main: 919-523-6385
> >> > > Fax: 919-829-8299
> >> > > bruce AT synthesiscreative.com
> >> > > www.synthesiscreative.com
> >> > > Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> > > [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
> > zman
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:51 PM
> >> > > To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> >> > > Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Bruce wrote:
> >> > >> I can tell you categorically that pros use more Canon Digitals
> > than
> >> > >> anything else - their superiority started with the lenses (film
> >> > > cameras)
> >> > >> and moved into the technology of digital.  The Canon XL1 Digital
> >> Video
> >> > >> camera is kicking butt as well in the pro market.
> >> > >
> >> > > Beg to differ once again. I don't think you can make that claim
> >> > > categorically without numbers to back it up.
> >> > >
> >> > > As for the Canon XL1 you are correct for now.
> >> > > Though Sony has been making steady inroads into the market.
> >> > >
> >> > >> By pro market I'm referring to mostly Photo Journalists.
> >> Advertising
> >> > >> Pros use larger format cameras and wedding pros don't need quite
> >> the
> >> > >> fire power as that found around the neck of an imbedded war
> >> > >> photographer.
> >> > >
> >> > > Though there are quite a few loal wedding photographers using the
> >> D70
> >> > > these days. As for advertising pros, well Brian Regan
> >> > > http://www.breganphoto.com/ is probably one of the top
> > photographers
> >> in
> >> > > the
> >> > > area and he's been using his digital back on his Nikon for a lot
> > of
> >> his
> >> > > work these days. maybe you should take another look around.
> >> > >
> >> > >> If I was going to spend $1000 on a new camera I would be sure it
> >> was
> >> > > at
> >> > >> least 4mp and probably [these days] expect 5 or 6 or more.
> > However
> >> -
> >> > > mp
> >> > >> is NOT the be-all and do-all of digital decision making.  There
> > is
> >> > > pixel
> >> > >> depth too.  The new Fuji S3 for example, stayed with their S2
> >> > > resolution
> >> > >> but decided to increase pixel depth from 256 levels of gray (8
> > bit)
> >> to
> >> > >> thousands (16 bit).  I believe this to be a good idea since
> >> Photoshop
> >> > >> now supports 16 bit and, from what I hear, it helps to solve that
> >> > >> annoying tone break in the highlights that has been a curse for
> >> > > digital
> >> > >> uses since the beginning.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Bruce DeBoer
> >> > >> Director of Marketing and Business Development
> >> > >> Synthesis
> >> > >> 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
> >> > >> Raleigh, NC  27601
> >> > >> Main: 919-523-6385
> >> > >> Fax: 919-829-8299
> >> > >> bruce AT synthesiscreative.com
> >> > >> www.synthesiscreative.com
> >> > >> Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> -----Original Message-----
> >> > >> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> > >> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
> >> David
> >> > >> Minton
> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:05 PM
> >> > >> To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> > >> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I have a Canon 10D that I have shot about 5,000 images with,
> > which
> >> is
> >> > >> similar. This was my first digital interchangeable lens SLR, and
> > I
> >> am
> >> > >> quite
> >> > >> happy with it. There are some flaws, which I am told the new 20D
> >> > >> corrects.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> In general, it is my impression that Canon has a technical edge
> >> over
> >> > >> Nikon.
> >> > >> The Nikon bodies seem superior when compared to older Canon
> > bodies,
> >> > > and
> >> > >> when
> >> > >> the new Canon comes out, it blows away the Nikon, at least in the
> >> Pro
> >> > >> market.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On the subject of pros, most I know shoot Canon now. I am told
> > the
> >> Pro
> >> > >> Nikon
> >> > >> bodies don't hold up as well.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Anyway, when you move up to interchangeable lenses, you are
> > buying
> >> > > into
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> system. The lenses you buy should last through a few upgrade
> > cycles
> >> of
> >> > >> camera bodies. I spent more on my primary lens (16-35mm f/2.8L)
> >> than I
> >> > >> did
> >> > >> on the body, as I expect to be using it longer. These cameras are
> >> good
> >> > >> enough to capture imperfections in lower quality optics. The $100
> >> kit
> >> > >> lens
> >> > >> (from either brand) is just not going to be as good as a
> >> $500-$1,500
> >> > >> lens.
> >> > >> You get what you pay for from your optics.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Before investing in CF cards, check Rob Galbraith's CF Database:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>    http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007
> >> > >>
> >> > >> You will find that with cameras in this class, that the speed of
> >> the
> >> > > CF
> >> > >> card
> >> > >> will come into play, and become the bottleneck in clearing your
> >> camera
> >> > >> buffer.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If you want to check out some cameras, I would recommend
> >> Southeastern
> >> > >> Camera, with locations in Cary, Carrboro, and Wilmington:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>    http://www.southeasterncamera.com/
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If you have any specific questions, let me know.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> David
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
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> >> > >> http://www.designhammer.com
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On 2/8/05 11:23 AM, "Lyman Green" <lymang AT gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> Anyone on the list have a Canon Digital Rebel or a Nikon D70?
> >> > > Looking
> >> > >>> for info on these digital SLR's from a real person (as opposed
> > to
> >> a
> >> > >>> faceless internet reviewer).
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Lyman Green
> >> > >>
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