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["Bruce" <bruce AT synthesiscreative.com>]

Wow - I get no respect.  www.brucedeboer.com

However - I agree 150% with you Shea.  

I've used/owned:

Canon FTb
Canon A-1, F-1, F-1n
Nikon F, f2, f3, f4, Nikkormat ftn
4x5, 8x10 Sinar F, F2, p, p2, c 
Hasselblad C, CM, 503, ELM, ELX

I was one of the original beta testers for Kodak's digital 35mm cameras
back in the late 80's.  Shall I go on?

-b





Bruce DeBoer
Director of Marketing and Business Development
Synthesis
112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
Raleigh, NC  27601
Main: 919-523-6385
Fax: 919-829-8299
bruce AT synthesiscreative.com
www.synthesiscreative.com
Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Shea
Tisdale
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:42 PM
To: 'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'
Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras

As the only other individual on here with as much or more experience in
photography as David, I'm going to weigh in here and tell you the true
facts.  

At a given price point both system are about equal.  At any given time
one
system will exceed the other slightly, but the balance will tip next
time
the other company releases their camera. And, either system is far more
capable than you will be as the user.  (I wish I could find the link,
but a
group of professional photographers used disposable point and shoots for
an
art project, and their work was amazing).

In general in digital Canon is recognized as being the leader and on the
cutting edge.  And Nikon is recognized as being a bit behind in terms of
pixels, resolution and sharpness, but more reliable as far as their
software
goes.

So I recommend you find models from both companies that have the
features
you want and then see which one feels the best to you, fits your hand
best,
and that you like more.  And buy that one.  Afterall, it's just like the
silly mac versus pc debate.  The only correct answer to either is the
one
that makes you happy.

- Shea Tisdale
 
Former owner of:

Canon AE-1
Canon T-90
Canon F-1
Nikon FM2
Nikon F3
Nikon F3 Titanium
Nikon F3P (one of 5000 ever made)
Nikon F4
Canon XL-1 video camera

And current owner of a Canon D20

And I've also owned or used every almost every piece of glass you can
imagine from a 15mm to a 400mm f/2.8



> -----Original Message-----
> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:internetworkers-
> bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of David Minton
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:14 PM
> To: InterNetWorkers
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> 
> For those that have weathered the Mac vs. Windows holy war, looks like
the
> Canon vs. Nikon conflagration is about to spill into Internetworkers.
> 
> David
> 
> On 2/8/05 4:59 PM, "Bruce" <bruce AT synthesiscreative.com> wrote:
> 
> > Not going to argue the point.  My experience tells me otherwise.
> >
> > Bruce DeBoer
> > Director of Marketing and Business Development
> > Synthesis
> > 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
> > Raleigh, NC  27601
> > Main: 919-523-6385
> > Fax: 919-829-8299
> > bruce AT synthesiscreative.com
> > www.synthesiscreative.com
> > Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of zman
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:51 PM
> > To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> > Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> >
> > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Bruce wrote:
> >> I can tell you categorically that pros use more Canon Digitals than
> >> anything else - their superiority started with the lenses (film
> > cameras)
> >> and moved into the technology of digital.  The Canon XL1 Digital
Video
> >> camera is kicking butt as well in the pro market.
> >
> > Beg to differ once again. I don't think you can make that claim
> > categorically without numbers to back it up.
> >
> > As for the Canon XL1 you are correct for now.
> > Though Sony has been making steady inroads into the market.
> >
> >> By pro market I'm referring to mostly Photo Journalists.
Advertising
> >> Pros use larger format cameras and wedding pros don't need quite
the
> >> fire power as that found around the neck of an imbedded war
> >> photographer.
> >
> > Though there are quite a few loal wedding photographers using the
D70
> > these days. As for advertising pros, well Brian Regan
> > http://www.breganphoto.com/ is probably one of the top photographers
in
> > the
> > area and he's been using his digital back on his Nikon for a lot of
his
> > work these days. maybe you should take another look around.
> >
> >> If I was going to spend $1000 on a new camera I would be sure it
was
> > at
> >> least 4mp and probably [these days] expect 5 or 6 or more.  However
-
> > mp
> >> is NOT the be-all and do-all of digital decision making.  There is
> > pixel
> >> depth too.  The new Fuji S3 for example, stayed with their S2
> > resolution
> >> but decided to increase pixel depth from 256 levels of gray (8 bit)
to
> >> thousands (16 bit).  I believe this to be a good idea since
Photoshop
> >> now supports 16 bit and, from what I hear, it helps to solve that
> >> annoying tone break in the highlights that has been a curse for
> > digital
> >> uses since the beginning.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bruce DeBoer
> >> Director of Marketing and Business Development
> >> Synthesis
> >> 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
> >> Raleigh, NC  27601
> >> Main: 919-523-6385
> >> Fax: 919-829-8299
> >> bruce AT synthesiscreative.com
> >> www.synthesiscreative.com
> >> Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
David
> >> Minton
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:05 PM
> >> To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> >>
> >> I have a Canon 10D that I have shot about 5,000 images with, which
is
> >> similar. This was my first digital interchangeable lens SLR, and I
am
> >> quite
> >> happy with it. There are some flaws, which I am told the new 20D
> >> corrects.
> >>
> >> In general, it is my impression that Canon has a technical edge
over
> >> Nikon.
> >> The Nikon bodies seem superior when compared to older Canon bodies,
> > and
> >> when
> >> the new Canon comes out, it blows away the Nikon, at least in the
Pro
> >> market.
> >>
> >> On the subject of pros, most I know shoot Canon now. I am told the
Pro
> >> Nikon
> >> bodies don't hold up as well.
> >>
> >> Anyway, when you move up to interchangeable lenses, you are buying
> > into
> >> a
> >> system. The lenses you buy should last through a few upgrade cycles
of
> >> camera bodies. I spent more on my primary lens (16-35mm f/2.8L)
than I
> >> did
> >> on the body, as I expect to be using it longer. These cameras are
good
> >> enough to capture imperfections in lower quality optics. The $100
kit
> >> lens
> >> (from either brand) is just not going to be as good as a
$500-$1,500
> >> lens.
> >> You get what you pay for from your optics.
> >>
> >> Before investing in CF cards, check Rob Galbraith's CF Database:
> >>
> >>    http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007
> >>
> >> You will find that with cameras in this class, that the speed of
the
> > CF
> >> card
> >> will come into play, and become the bottleneck in clearing your
camera
> >> buffer.
> >>
> >> If you want to check out some cameras, I would recommend
Southeastern
> >> Camera, with locations in Cary, Carrboro, and Wilmington:
> >>
> >>    http://www.southeasterncamera.com/
> >>
> >> If you have any specific questions, let me know.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> --
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> >> http://www.designhammer.com
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/8/05 11:23 AM, "Lyman Green" <lymang AT gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Anyone on the list have a Canon Digital Rebel or a Nikon D70?
> > Looking
> >>> for info on these digital SLR's from a real person (as opposed to
a
> >>> faceless internet reviewer).
> >>>
> >>> Lyman Green
> >>
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