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["Bruce" <bruce AT synthesiscreative.com>]

I was only 1/2 serious.  But the 1/2 that was serious stood at attention
with the "more experience than others" comment was made.  Sorry - I
couldn't help myself, I had to pull rank:)

-b



Bruce DeBoer
Director of Marketing and Business Development
Synthesis
112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
Raleigh, NC  27601
Main: 919-523-6385
Fax: 919-829-8299
bruce AT synthesiscreative.com
www.synthesiscreative.com
Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Shea
Tisdale
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:46 PM
To: 'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'
Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras

Sorry Bruce, no intended disrespect.

- Shea Tisdale
 
Every generation has an obligation to improve the world. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:internetworkers-
> bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Bruce
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:52 PM
> To: 'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'
> Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> 
> Wow - I get no respect.  www.brucedeboer.com
> 
> However - I agree 150% with you Shea.
> 
> I've used/owned:
> 
> Canon FTb
> Canon A-1, F-1, F-1n
> Nikon F, f2, f3, f4, Nikkormat ftn
> 4x5, 8x10 Sinar F, F2, p, p2, c
> Hasselblad C, CM, 503, ELM, ELX
> 
> I was one of the original beta testers for Kodak's digital 35mm
cameras
> back in the late 80's.  Shall I go on?
> 
> -b
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce DeBoer
> Director of Marketing and Business Development
> Synthesis
> 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
> Raleigh, NC  27601
> Main: 919-523-6385
> Fax: 919-829-8299
> bruce AT synthesiscreative.com
> www.synthesiscreative.com
> Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Shea
> Tisdale
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:42 PM
> To: 'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'
> Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> 
> As the only other individual on here with as much or more experience
in
> photography as David, I'm going to weigh in here and tell you the true
> facts.
> 
> At a given price point both system are about equal.  At any given time
> one
> system will exceed the other slightly, but the balance will tip next
> time
> the other company releases their camera. And, either system is far
more
> capable than you will be as the user.  (I wish I could find the link,
> but a
> group of professional photographers used disposable point and shoots
for
> an
> art project, and their work was amazing).
> 
> In general in digital Canon is recognized as being the leader and on
the
> cutting edge.  And Nikon is recognized as being a bit behind in terms
of
> pixels, resolution and sharpness, but more reliable as far as their
> software
> goes.
> 
> So I recommend you find models from both companies that have the
> features
> you want and then see which one feels the best to you, fits your hand
> best,
> and that you like more.  And buy that one.  Afterall, it's just like
the
> silly mac versus pc debate.  The only correct answer to either is the
> one
> that makes you happy.
> 
> - Shea Tisdale
> 
> Former owner of:
> 
> Canon AE-1
> Canon T-90
> Canon F-1
> Nikon FM2
> Nikon F3
> Nikon F3 Titanium
> Nikon F3P (one of 5000 ever made)
> Nikon F4
> Canon XL-1 video camera
> 
> And current owner of a Canon D20
> 
> And I've also owned or used every almost every piece of glass you can
> imagine from a 15mm to a 400mm f/2.8
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:internetworkers-
> > bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of David Minton
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:14 PM
> > To: InterNetWorkers
> > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> >
> > For those that have weathered the Mac vs. Windows holy war, looks
like
> the
> > Canon vs. Nikon conflagration is about to spill into
Internetworkers.
> >
> > David
> >
> > On 2/8/05 4:59 PM, "Bruce" <bruce AT synthesiscreative.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Not going to argue the point.  My experience tells me otherwise.
> > >
> > > Bruce DeBoer
> > > Director of Marketing and Business Development
> > > Synthesis
> > > 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
> > > Raleigh, NC  27601
> > > Main: 919-523-6385
> > > Fax: 919-829-8299
> > > bruce AT synthesiscreative.com
> > > www.synthesiscreative.com
> > > Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
zman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:51 PM
> > > To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> > > Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> > >
> > > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Bruce wrote:
> > >> I can tell you categorically that pros use more Canon Digitals
than
> > >> anything else - their superiority started with the lenses (film
> > > cameras)
> > >> and moved into the technology of digital.  The Canon XL1 Digital
> Video
> > >> camera is kicking butt as well in the pro market.
> > >
> > > Beg to differ once again. I don't think you can make that claim
> > > categorically without numbers to back it up.
> > >
> > > As for the Canon XL1 you are correct for now.
> > > Though Sony has been making steady inroads into the market.
> > >
> > >> By pro market I'm referring to mostly Photo Journalists.
> Advertising
> > >> Pros use larger format cameras and wedding pros don't need quite
> the
> > >> fire power as that found around the neck of an imbedded war
> > >> photographer.
> > >
> > > Though there are quite a few loal wedding photographers using the
> D70
> > > these days. As for advertising pros, well Brian Regan
> > > http://www.breganphoto.com/ is probably one of the top
photographers
> in
> > > the
> > > area and he's been using his digital back on his Nikon for a lot
of
> his
> > > work these days. maybe you should take another look around.
> > >
> > >> If I was going to spend $1000 on a new camera I would be sure it
> was
> > > at
> > >> least 4mp and probably [these days] expect 5 or 6 or more.
However
> -
> > > mp
> > >> is NOT the be-all and do-all of digital decision making.  There
is
> > > pixel
> > >> depth too.  The new Fuji S3 for example, stayed with their S2
> > > resolution
> > >> but decided to increase pixel depth from 256 levels of gray (8
bit)
> to
> > >> thousands (16 bit).  I believe this to be a good idea since
> Photoshop
> > >> now supports 16 bit and, from what I hear, it helps to solve that
> > >> annoying tone break in the highlights that has been a curse for
> > > digital
> > >> uses since the beginning.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Bruce DeBoer
> > >> Director of Marketing and Business Development
> > >> Synthesis
> > >> 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
> > >> Raleigh, NC  27601
> > >> Main: 919-523-6385
> > >> Fax: 919-829-8299
> > >> bruce AT synthesiscreative.com
> > >> www.synthesiscreative.com
> > >> Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > >> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
> David
> > >> Minton
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:05 PM
> > >> To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] digital cameras
> > >>
> > >> I have a Canon 10D that I have shot about 5,000 images with,
which
> is
> > >> similar. This was my first digital interchangeable lens SLR, and
I
> am
> > >> quite
> > >> happy with it. There are some flaws, which I am told the new 20D
> > >> corrects.
> > >>
> > >> In general, it is my impression that Canon has a technical edge
> over
> > >> Nikon.
> > >> The Nikon bodies seem superior when compared to older Canon
bodies,
> > > and
> > >> when
> > >> the new Canon comes out, it blows away the Nikon, at least in the
> Pro
> > >> market.
> > >>
> > >> On the subject of pros, most I know shoot Canon now. I am told
the
> Pro
> > >> Nikon
> > >> bodies don't hold up as well.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, when you move up to interchangeable lenses, you are
buying
> > > into
> > >> a
> > >> system. The lenses you buy should last through a few upgrade
cycles
> of
> > >> camera bodies. I spent more on my primary lens (16-35mm f/2.8L)
> than I
> > >> did
> > >> on the body, as I expect to be using it longer. These cameras are
> good
> > >> enough to capture imperfections in lower quality optics. The $100
> kit
> > >> lens
> > >> (from either brand) is just not going to be as good as a
> $500-$1,500
> > >> lens.
> > >> You get what you pay for from your optics.
> > >>
> > >> Before investing in CF cards, check Rob Galbraith's CF Database:
> > >>
> > >>    http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007
> > >>
> > >> You will find that with cameras in this class, that the speed of
> the
> > > CF
> > >> card
> > >> will come into play, and become the bottleneck in clearing your
> camera
> > >> buffer.
> > >>
> > >> If you want to check out some cameras, I would recommend
> Southeastern
> > >> Camera, with locations in Cary, Carrboro, and Wilmington:
> > >>
> > >>    http://www.southeasterncamera.com/
> > >>
> > >> If you have any specific questions, let me know.
> > >>
> > >> David
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> DesignHammer Media Group, LLC : 919.544.0086 :
> > >> http://www.designhammer.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 2/8/05 11:23 AM, "Lyman Green" <lymang AT gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Anyone on the list have a Canon Digital Rebel or a Nikon D70?
> > > Looking
> > >>> for info on these digital SLR's from a real person (as opposed
to
> a
> > >>> faceless internet reviewer).
> > >>>
> > >>> Lyman Green
> > >>
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