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[Ian Meyer <ianmeyer AT gmail.com>]

once you buy it, and boot OS X, then talk about reformatting to put
BSD/Linux on it.

seriously.

once you go mac, you don't go back :p

~ian


On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:35:03 -0500 (EST), Sil Greene <quack AT ibiblio.org> 
wrote:
> 
> I'm actually thinking about their habit of selling upgrades, of
> (apparently) not providing security fixes for older software, and of their
> proprietary habits (as seen with recent iPod upgrades), as opposed to
> their post-sales product support.  I agree, the hardware typically is more
> robust than PC hardware and it's much rarer that I hear of Macs requiring
> repair.  But Apple's pricing and sales practices are not consumer
> friendly; from some perspectives they out-proprietize Microsoft, and
> *that* is scary.
> 
> Now, all that said, I have considered picking up a used G4 machine just
> for the hardware, and running some nice Linux or BSD variant on it.  The
> beauty of that hardware, without the painful new-hardware-price or
> gawd-must-I-deal-with-Apple software.  :)
> 
> 
> --s
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Evan Zimmerman said:
> > I'll speak to the concern over Apple: I've used a Mac for most of my
> > computing life, with forays into Linux and a continued forced
> > existence with Windows, but I have never found Apple to be a problem
> > at all.
> >
> > I've had a few repairs over time, and each time they were very
> > reasonable and fast without the need for a service plan. You might
> > hear a lot about this or that production problem, but honestly, I've
> > used several machines that I hear people complain about (iBook,
> > Powerbooks) and I've never noticed any of those flaws. I think Mac
> > users are just unusually bitchy -- expecting perfection. Or I'm lucky,
> > but 18 years is a pretty decent lucky streak.
> >
> > They're much sturdier than pc hardware in my experience however, and
> > last longer (ie don't need upgrades incessantly), so any minor cost
> > different (usually a coupla hundred bucks) is offset.
> >
> > Just my cents.
> >
> >
> > Evan
> > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:59:18 -0500 (EST), Sil Greene <quack AT ibiblio.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Ian Meyer said:
> >> > i started thinking about this the other night, and its a nice,
> >> > different, flamewar-pronte topic for the list I figured...
> >> >
> >> > basically, I know a lot of mac users. I also know a lot of people who
> >> > think they're great computers, but for one reason or another, don't
> >> > have one. My question is simple: for all you non-mac users out there
> >> > in INW land, what is the main reason you don't have a mac?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Ooo!  Ooo!  This is easy.
> >>
> >> (1) price.  If I'm gonna shell out the dough for that machine, I want a
> >> good one -- meaning fast, dual procs, lotsa ram -- and those aren't
> >> cheap.
> >>  When I go to configure my dream G5, I usually end up with a price close
> >> to what I paid for my car, so I sleep on it.  Needless to say, I haven't
> >> placed that order yet.
> >>
> >> (2) Apple.  I'm sorry, Apple seems to do a lot of things well, but
> >> treating customers right doesn't appear to be one of them.  So when I
> >> wake
> >> up, after sleeping on my proposed order, I remember what assholes Apple
> >> seems to be to their customers and I decide they really don't need my
> >> money right now.
> >>
> >> :-/
> >>
> >> *plunk, plunk*
> >> --s
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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