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  • From: Tanner Lovelace <lovelace AT wayfarer.org>
  • To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/" <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Re: SPAM the SPAMMERS
  • Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:54:55 -0500

Steven Champeon wrote:

No, all those messages come from the C/R system. Or maybe I'm not
following you.

Apparently you're not. What I suggested was this. Suppose C-R systems in
general reach a 1% penetration rate. That is, 1% of all people use some
sort of challenge response system. It could be something they've
setup on their own system, it could be something their ISP has setup.
It is *by* *no* *means* one system. Then, suppose someone sends a spam
with a *real*, forged return address to 1 million people. Because we supposed
C-R systems have a 1% penetration rate that means, on average, 100,000
of those people will have some form of C-R system setup. This means
the person who's e-mail was forged will then receive aproximately
100,000 "challenges" from those people's C-R systems, not from *one*
system.


Besides, what "Bulk" actually is is a designation on the e-mail itself.
It's the "Precedence: Bulk" header on the e-mail. I maintain that this
stuff *should* be designated Bulk, because it's not regular e-mail.
It certainly should *not* be designated anything else like important, etc..


Bah. Honestly - when's the last time you saw a 'bulk' Precedence header
on actual UBE/UCE?

There you go again, trying to confuse the issue with spam. Forget about
spam. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SPAM HERE. We're talking about C-R systems.

Tanner
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