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  • From: Brian <russellb AT yesh.com>
  • To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/" <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Re: Spam retaliation or not
  • Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:37:54 -0400

Sorry if I sounded like mutt was the only option.
I meant to say "I've been thinking..." instead of "Be thinking of..."
Slip of the fingers on the keys.

I am SURE there are SEVERAL great solutions out there.
:-)
-Brian

> Why? I use Evolution on Linux and have procmail w/ SpamAssassin sort my
> email into a plethora of incoming mail folders stored in a Maildir
> structure. I use Courier-IMAP to access the mail from Evolution.
>
> --[Lance]
>
> On Thu, 2003-04-24 at 16:51, Brian wrote:
>> I've heard many good things about spam assassin and promail. Be thinking of
>> abandoning GUI e-mail apps and just using Mutt on the command line.
>> Arg...change is hard.
>> -Brian
>>
>>> I recently started using SPAM assasin, and cannot rave about it enough. It
>>> took about 3 weeks for one to sneak through, and I have gotten no false
>>> positives... Procmail rules!
>>>
>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Jean-Paul Louis wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is a non-violent way to retaliate. Forward a list of all the
>>>> domains
>>>> of the spammers
>>>> to SpamCop.
>>>>
>>>> i.e.., if the spammer address is cool AT cool.Coolspecnet.com then report
>>>> Coolspecnet.com
>>>>
>>>> That should work.
>>>>
>>>> Jean-Paul Louis
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Josep L. Guallar-Esteve" <jlguallar AT maduixa.net>
>>>> To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/";
>>>> <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 3:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Spam retaliation or not
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday 24 April 2003 02:06 pm, Brian wrote:
>>>>>> I agree that turning the other cheek may be what is necessary. Gandhi
>>>>>> believed this literally and just for the reasons you mentioned bellow.
>>>>>> Sometimes it does take an act of submission and humility to show others
>>>> how
>>>>>> violent and arguably wrong something is. Funny how our internal
>>>>>> "ethics"
>>>>>> kick in when we see the direct results of our personal act of violence.
>>>>>> Suffering.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gandhi's non-violence strategy worked because "the other side" was an
>>>>> understanding society, with moral and ethic values. Ghandi's
>>>>> non-violence
>>>>> system doesn't work for the worked for Tibet against the Chinese. And it
>>>>> didn't work[*] for SouthAfrica against the Apartheid.
>>>>>
>>>>> [*] Non-violence alone didn't work
>>>>>
>>>>> Spammers, have no moral, no ethic and no remorse. So "non-violence"
>>>>> (ler the mailboxes fill up) would not work with them.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not a luddite. Though I do believe that we have to work extra hard
>>>>>> using written communication to keep it clear. You know how hard that
>>>>>> sarcasms can be in e-mail.
>>>>>> <sarcasm>
>>>>>> Whoa stay off the road! Someone can't drive a stick shift. Whoa!
>>>>>> </sarcasm>
>>>>>
>>>>> I drive a stick shift. Stay off the road! :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> So I guess the very fact that we are only communicating with the
>>>>>> written
>>>>>> word is the reason spam is so powerful. We have no easy un-ignorable
>>>>>> way
>>>> to
>>>>>> make spammers feel empathy. Thus trigger an ethical response. Stopping
>>>>>> spam.
>>>>>
>>>>> So non-violence (letting mailboxes fill up) will not work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Action generates reaction, be it "non-violence" or some other kind. Spam
>>>>> generates anti-spam grass-roots movements, laws and lone rangers doing
>>>>> web
>>>>> defacement (as happened to the Emailers of America (spammers
>>>>> association)
>>>>> webpage.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Salut,
>>>>> Josep
>>>>> --
>>>>> Josep L. Guallar-Esteve
>>>>> AOL vs Josep -> http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/aol.html
>>>>>
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