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  • From: Brian <russellb AT yesh.com>
  • To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/" <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Spam retaliation or not
  • Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:51:52 -0400

I've heard many good things about spam assassin and promail. Be thinking of
abandoning GUI e-mail apps and just using Mutt on the command line.
Arg...change is hard.
-Brian

> I recently started using SPAM assasin, and cannot rave about it enough. It
> took about 3 weeks for one to sneak through, and I have gotten no false
> positives... Procmail rules!
>
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Jean-Paul Louis wrote:
>
>> There is a non-violent way to retaliate. Forward a list of all the domains
>> of the spammers
>> to SpamCop.
>>
>> i.e.., if the spammer address is cool AT cool.Coolspecnet.com then report
>> Coolspecnet.com
>>
>> That should work.
>>
>> Jean-Paul Louis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Josep L. Guallar-Esteve" <jlguallar AT maduixa.net>
>> To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/";
>> <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 3:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Spam retaliation or not
>>
>>
>>> On Thursday 24 April 2003 02:06 pm, Brian wrote:
>>>> I agree that turning the other cheek may be what is necessary. Gandhi
>>>> believed this literally and just for the reasons you mentioned bellow.
>>>> Sometimes it does take an act of submission and humility to show others
>> how
>>>> violent and arguably wrong something is. Funny how our internal "ethics"
>>>> kick in when we see the direct results of our personal act of violence.
>>>> Suffering.
>>>
>>> Gandhi's non-violence strategy worked because "the other side" was an
>>> understanding society, with moral and ethic values. Ghandi's non-violence
>>> system doesn't work for the worked for Tibet against the Chinese. And it
>>> didn't work[*] for SouthAfrica against the Apartheid.
>>>
>>> [*] Non-violence alone didn't work
>>>
>>> Spammers, have no moral, no ethic and no remorse. So "non-violence"
>>> (ler the mailboxes fill up) would not work with them.
>>>
>>>> I am not a luddite. Though I do believe that we have to work extra hard
>>>> using written communication to keep it clear. You know how hard that
>>>> sarcasms can be in e-mail.
>>>> <sarcasm>
>>>> Whoa stay off the road! Someone can't drive a stick shift. Whoa!
>>>> </sarcasm>
>>>
>>> I drive a stick shift. Stay off the road! :)
>>>
>>>> So I guess the very fact that we are only communicating with the written
>>>> word is the reason spam is so powerful. We have no easy un-ignorable way
>> to
>>>> make spammers feel empathy. Thus trigger an ethical response. Stopping
>>>> spam.
>>>
>>> So non-violence (letting mailboxes fill up) will not work.
>>>
>>> Action generates reaction, be it "non-violence" or some other kind. Spam
>>> generates anti-spam grass-roots movements, laws and lone rangers doing web
>>> defacement (as happened to the Emailers of America (spammers association)
>>> webpage.
>>>
>>>
>>> Salut,
>>> Josep
>>> --
>>> Josep L. Guallar-Esteve
>>> AOL vs Josep -> http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/aol.html
>>>
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