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  • From: zman <zman AT gibbon.kungfumonkey.com>
  • To: Jean-Paul Louis <louijp AT nc.rr.com>, <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Spam retaliation or not
  • Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:29:56 -0400 (EDT)

I recently started using SPAM assasin, and cannot rave about it enough. It
took about 3 weeks for one to sneak through, and I have gotten no false
positives... Procmail rules!

On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Jean-Paul Louis wrote:

> There is a non-violent way to retaliate. Forward a list of all the domains
> of the spammers
> to SpamCop.
>
> i.e.., if the spammer address is cool AT cool.Coolspecnet.com then report
> Coolspecnet.com
>
> That should work.
>
> Jean-Paul Louis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Josep L. Guallar-Esteve" <jlguallar AT maduixa.net>
> To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/";
> <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Spam retaliation or not
>
>
> > On Thursday 24 April 2003 02:06 pm, Brian wrote:
> > > I agree that turning the other cheek may be what is necessary. Gandhi
> > > believed this literally and just for the reasons you mentioned bellow.
> > > Sometimes it does take an act of submission and humility to show others
> how
> > > violent and arguably wrong something is. Funny how our internal "ethics"
> > > kick in when we see the direct results of our personal act of violence.
> > > Suffering.
> >
> > Gandhi's non-violence strategy worked because "the other side" was an
> > understanding society, with moral and ethic values. Ghandi's non-violence
> > system doesn't work for the worked for Tibet against the Chinese. And it
> > didn't work[*] for SouthAfrica against the Apartheid.
> >
> > [*] Non-violence alone didn't work
> >
> > Spammers, have no moral, no ethic and no remorse. So "non-violence"
> > (ler the mailboxes fill up) would not work with them.
> >
> > > I am not a luddite. Though I do believe that we have to work extra hard
> > > using written communication to keep it clear. You know how hard that
> > > sarcasms can be in e-mail.
> > > <sarcasm>
> > > Whoa stay off the road! Someone can't drive a stick shift. Whoa!
> > > </sarcasm>
> >
> > I drive a stick shift. Stay off the road! :)
> >
> > > So I guess the very fact that we are only communicating with the written
> > > word is the reason spam is so powerful. We have no easy un-ignorable way
> to
> > > make spammers feel empathy. Thus trigger an ethical response. Stopping
> > > spam.
> >
> > So non-violence (letting mailboxes fill up) will not work.
> >
> > Action generates reaction, be it "non-violence" or some other kind. Spam
> > generates anti-spam grass-roots movements, laws and lone rangers doing web
> > defacement (as happened to the Emailers of America (spammers association)
> > webpage.
> >
> >
> > Salut,
> > Josep
> > --
> > Josep L. Guallar-Esteve
> > AOL vs Josep -> http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/aol.html
> >
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