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Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?
- From: Roger Austin <raustin3 AT nc.rr.com>
- To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/" <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?
- Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 11:08:21 -0500
Sil Greene wrote:
On 4 Apr 2003, Steven Hilton wrote:
If "Programmer I" is automated, and "Software Enginerr II-IV" are moved
offshore, how does an American tech worker become a "Software Enginer V"
How would an American get the 10+ years experience?
Y'know, this Class-of-'02 NCSU CS grad would like to know exactly the same thing ...
<geezer geek>
Well, you can get 10 years of experience if you really, really want to be a software engineer. It isn't that there will be zero jobs, there will be some jobs, but they won't be $40-50k to start and the salaries will be lower for the long run (i.e., supply and demand.) There are still textile workers in the South as well as some from New England where we took them from last century. The jobs just aren't as good or plentiful since the businesses have the option of going somewhere else. Job stability is not good either.
One fallacy is that this is a 100% swap and that it happens really fast. Rather than pack up to move to Bangalore, I would suggest that you look hard at getting a job, do a really good job when you are hired, and work hard to keep up with your education and training. You also may want to get a parallel training in business or management or some other field that interests you to make yourself more valuable to employers.
Assume that you will not be in the same job forever, but give the business good value for their dollars. It will pay off though sometimes it seems like they are all bastards. Work smart, do what the boss wants as well as what is right.
Another tip is to never allow loyalty to a company affect your career. Search for other jobs and continue your education. In the long run, the company is going to look out for themselves and you have to look out for yourself. Keep yourself marketable and your powder dry. Update your CV annually so you can jump at chances when they appear.
Check out the old guy they push out the door when you are hired. That will be you in 10-20 years so be prepared when you get there with new and updated skills. Never forget that the management can change and your past goodwill with the company will be zilch. The difference between you and the 20 somethings in the eyes of the new management is that you will be more expensive. Be ready for the exit.
</geezer geek>
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Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?
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- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Scott Russell, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, BigLee Haslup, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Michael Winslow Czeiszperger, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, BigLee Haslup, 04/06/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Michael Winslow Czeiszperger, 04/06/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, BigLee Haslup, 04/06/2003
- [internetworkers] More complete IT outsourcing, Michael Winslow Czeiszperger, 04/09/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] More complete IT outsourcing, Josep L. Guallar-Esteve, 04/09/2003
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Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?,
Sil Greene, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Roger Austin, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Diana Duncan, 04/05/2003
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Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?,
Steven Hilton, 04/04/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Michael Czeiszperger, 04/05/2003
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Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?,
Steven Hilton, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Greg Cox, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Michael D. Thomas, 04/05/2003
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[internetworkers] are there a need for tools to manage textile workers of the future?,
Scott Lundgren, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] are there a need for tools to manage textile workers of the future?, Greg Cox, 04/05/2003
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