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Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?
- From: Steven Hilton <mshiltonj AT libertystorm.com>
- To: "Internetworkers: " "http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/" <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?
- Date: 04 Apr 2003 21:51:21 -0500
If "Programmer I" is automated, and "Software Enginerr II-IV" are moved
offshore, how does an American tech worker become a "Software Enginer V"
How would an American get the 10+ years experience?
On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 16:11, Michael D. Thomas wrote:
> > I mostly agree with what you wrote, but I also think that there is
> > tremendous potential (nowhere near realized yet) for separating design and
> > implementation of software, which means that in sheer numbers the market
> > for programmers who are not strong on the architecture and management side
> > may not look like exactly like that for textile workers, but could get
> > uncomfortably close.
>
> We're in agreement here.
>
> >From www.salary.com, I find the following describing a "Programmer 1":
>
> "Relies on instructions and pre-established guidelines to perform the
> functions of the job. Works under immediate supervision. Primary job
> functions
> do not typically require exercising independent judgment."
>
> This job inevitably goes away. Maybe someone overseas takes it today, but
> ultimately I expect that the next wave of design patterns based development
> tools to do away with it entirely. If a drone can do a job, eventually a
> drone
> will be invented for it. (The exception to this rule is customer service
> oriented jobs. Many people don't like interacting with drones.)
>
> Contrast that job description with "Software Engineer V," who is the kind of
> person companies are built around:
>
> "Demonstrates expertise in a variety of the field's concepts, practices, and
> procedures. Relies on extensive experience and judgment to plan and
> accomplish
> goals. Performs a variety of tasks. May provide consultation on complex
> projects and is considered to be the top level contributor/specialist. A
> wide
> degree of creativity and latitude is expected."
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?
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Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?,
Jay Cuthrell, 04/04/2003
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Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?,
Jason Tower, 04/04/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Scott Russell, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, BigLee Haslup, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Michael Winslow Czeiszperger, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, BigLee Haslup, 04/06/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Michael Winslow Czeiszperger, 04/06/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, BigLee Haslup, 04/06/2003
- [internetworkers] More complete IT outsourcing, Michael Winslow Czeiszperger, 04/09/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] More complete IT outsourcing, Josep L. Guallar-Esteve, 04/09/2003
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Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?,
Jason Tower, 04/04/2003
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Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?,
Jay Cuthrell, 04/04/2003
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Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?,
Sil Greene, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Roger Austin, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Diana Duncan, 04/05/2003
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Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?,
Steven Hilton, 04/04/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Michael Czeiszperger, 04/05/2003
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Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?,
Steven Hilton, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Greg Cox, 04/05/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] textile workers of the future?, Michael D. Thomas, 04/05/2003
- [internetworkers] are there a need for tools to manage textile workers of the future?, Scott Lundgren, 04/05/2003
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