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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Bev:  <<<<"You really should qualify that with 'Wealthy people" because the 
poor don't have any money to invest." >>>>
 
Remember the conversation about knives and buying the best quality etc?  
It is the same with money.  (Silver is also money.)  
 
Paper money is working towards becoming worthless.  Unfortunately most people 
don't understand this (although that CNN video link Bob posted explains the 
underlying reason why it is going to unfold without so stating).  
 
Gold/silver is only for after things needed to survive IMO.    If I hit the 
lotto tomorrow, I'd still be first buying tons of gardenings, food storage, 
solar, better land, weapons, etc.  
 
When I read about Weimar hyperinflation, it became clear that people 
sometimes rushed out twice a day just to buy stuff before it became more 
expensive - so to me the survival stuff would be the priority.... not canned 
goods per se (although saving chocolate in a "can" would sure taste good 
somewhere down the road...) but sustainable survival things.
 
 
 
My parents both went thru the depression and pretty muchc understand the 
overall concepts of depression and hyperinflation macros issues at hand now.  
They are in denial at one level (the acknowledge it but don't act on 
knowledge),,,,,,,,,   They dont' have any issue with me gardening etc 
(probably a what if she's right type thing more than anything else...)
 
Dad's ok with the garden and chickens etc, as long as I keep the place 
looking "nice".  He actually can hardly walk anymore, and often can't follow 
a conversation.  I'd be happy if he just sat in the "airplane hanger" (his 
garage) and showed me how to use the power tools safely.  The hardest part is 
he gets stuff in his head the way he wants to do something without having any 
concept of function needed.....so it can be a battle at times.  My mom's 
getting pretty old too, and I suspect she needs a full knee replacement and 
probably soon which is going to present some challenges, as dad can't help, 
can't stand long enough to cook.  
 
My brother lives on the property too, but he's useless - quite likely 8 or 
more split personalities from what I can tell.  He even refers to himself as 
"we" --- as in "we don't like the soup you made today".  Most of the day his 
various personalities argue with each other so he doesn't get much done.... 
and one is a real prankster always hiding stuff on the main? personality.  I 
hadn't been around him since he was 11 years old - so it has been quite an 
experience this past year.  One of the personalities is downright dangerous, 
and has landed himself in jail and mental institutions a few times.

 
I briefly met a nieghbor yesterday.  Her hub is in the middle east so she 
couldn't explain much, but they are 100% off grid.  12 solar batteries for 
the house, 12 solar batteries for the water pump.... at least she thinks what 
they did.  I'm hoping to meet him some day and get a tour.

--- On Sun, 1/11/09, EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:


In another post you wrote that people turn to gold during times of
economic hyperinflation.  You really should qualify that with 'Wealthy
people" because the poor don't have any money to invest.



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Geez......... 
 
On more than one occassion, I have been tempted to actually get a tatoo - 
something I wouldn't normally dream of doing, but....here's my idea....
 
My fear is being unconscious and having all kinds of medical treatment 
administered without my "consent to pay for it", and then being hounded and 
bankrupted....
 
On more than one occassion I've entertained the idea of tatooing somewhere on 
my body "I refuse to pay for any medical care that I have not personally 
signed my persmission for."
 
It is insane that someone else should force medical care (and the associated 
costs) on another if they don't want it... insane.
 
When my ex-MIL was diagnosed as terminal, and given 3 mos to live - they were 
all prepared to start very costly standard treatments.  She didn't want it.  
And I had the "pleasure" of telling them she just wanted pain meds and to go 
home.  Boy oh boy did they ever get huffy about that and walked out of the 
room and never came back - zero respect for a person's wishes of what to do 
with their own body !  She lived 7 months without any chemo and radical 
surgeries.
 
LOL


--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Lisa K.V. Perry <lisakvperry AT gmail.com> wrote:


On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Gerald Brittell
<gabrittell AT gmail.com>wrote:

> In 1989, Charollete Gerson states that in California it was illegal to
> treat
> Cancer by any means but chemotherapy or radiation.


I am very late to this thread. Short on time lately.

We have a young man, almost 19, in our community who has a law in Virginia
named after him.

A few years back he had cancer (forget which kind) and his Dr. prescribed
chemo and radiation which made him very ill, so ill that his father had to
carry him in and out of bed. Nevertheless, he took the treatment until he
became so weak and ill that he decided to discontinue it and seek an
alternative.

At that point, as I understand the story, the Oncologist was less than
pleased and filed a lawsuit so that the boy would have to take chemo.

Long story short, the parents divorced (probably due to familial and
financial stress) and the boy won right to choose what treatment he wanted.
I believe (foggy memory) they sought treatment in Mexico. The new law was
named after him and states that anyone 16 years or older can choose how they
wish to be treated for a medical condition.

His name is Abraham Cherrix. He is one of my son's friends.

lkvp
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How many trees total need to be cut to provide firewood for one winter?  
 
I remember seeing the woodpile as a kid, and my job was to split logs in the 
basement in the winter, but I really never knew how many actual trees were 
cut down each year.

 
Ticks - yuck, sends shivers up my spine... hate those things...

--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Robert Walton <waltonrp AT gmail.com> wrote:

I started cutting firewood this weekend. 



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tick killers --- aren't those called guinea hens?
 

--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com> wrote:

I have about beat the chiggers by lots of close mowing. The ticks,  
well, I fantasize that someone will invent a tick killer and once each  
year we will all stay indoors while the woods are misted by planes.




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Milwaukee is top of the line and has everything.  I like Porter Cable and
have an 18V drill.  I also like Bosch.  I have a 14.4 drill and a 24V skill
saw and reciprocating saw.  DeWalt is another good brand as is Makita.

18V is a good battery size.  Check the tool for comfort, is the switch easy
to use.  Larger batteries are heavier.  There is no grantee that the
batteries they use now will be the same form factor down the road.  As for
chargers the Bosch charger will do all Bosch batteries of similar form
factor.

Don Bowen  KI6DIU
http://www.braingarage.com/Dons/Travels/journal/Journal.html