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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

1933 I remember reading about,,,, 211 BC I do not... LOL
Thanks for the history.
 
Gold - it's good for a hyperinflation.  Post hyperinflation is a coin toss.  
If memory serves me right there is already talk of at least 2 other countries 
returning to a gold standard, post US collapse.  Then there is talk of a one 
world currency.  Who knows which way the wind will blow ultimately, certainly 
not I.  
 
For me at the practical level, it all means learn how to grow food, tough 
times are ahead.  
 
Downside Risk? None.  There is no downside to learning how to grow food.
 


--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com> wrote:

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> >On the other hand, if government creates a new currency in exchange
for 
> gold, it might be useful for that.
> 

They might.  This is a distinct possibiltiy.  But look what's happned every

single time in history this has happened.

Go WAY back, for instance, to Rome's Punic wars.  During the Second Punic 
War, Rome lost control of the Campania region which supplied a great deal of
the 
grains that fed the Republic (this was around 211 BCE).  Many disgruntle 
areas 
revolted and the economic basis of the republic collapsed.  Grain was scarce, 
there was no effective civil government to enforce the value of the currency, 
and this one of the times in history that gold became worthless.  It took 
seven years to restore the civil government to the point if felt confident
enough 
to reissue currency and enforce its value.  By edict, all coinage had to be 
turned in to the mints and it was reissued (reminted) in a standard 
denomination, the 'denarius' (hence the Spanish word
"dinero").  Individuals were 
prohibited from owning more than a smackeral of gold and no one but the one 
government mint was allowed to strike coins.

People who thought they'd sit on that sack of soldi coins or such and be
all 
fixed up when the civil unrest was over were mightily disappointed.  They 
government took possesion of all the gold and fixed its exchange rate.

This happened here in 1933 as you will recall.

Perhaps, as they say, "better than a snowball", but it's still a
risky 
business with a delayed payoff at best.


James
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She is a chemist at a mine up in Silver City, NM.  And she said she is 
chemically sensitive, but I wondered if it was work avoidance, since she is a 
chemist actively working at a mine......
 
 
THANKS............. now... more.
 
 
What is a gamma seal lid?
 
What do bay leaves to as far as weevils?
 
Are you saying you can store storing flour, as in white, wheat or rye flours 
using dry ice also?
 
Where do I get dry ice?
 
And, how is dry ice sustainable if TSHTF??? 
I don't suppose there is a way one can make dry ice at hom
 
 
 


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Leslie wrote:

> 
> He stores wheat, corn, rice, etc. in 5 gallon pails.............. 2" 
> of grain on the bottom of the pail, then dry ice, then fills the rest
>  with grain,,,, sets the lid on top, waits 2 hours, then seals them
> up tight.  Said something about the dry ice killing off any pest eggs
>  that may be present.....  That way the food keeps for long periods
> of time.  I dragged my dad with me, and my dad asked him about
> getting larger containers (keg size) for food storage.  He said no,
> because once the container is open, it takes too long to eat it and
> food spoilage/bugs can become an issue.  He told me where to get the
> 5 gallons pails locally; they sell them "cheap" as the crop
pickers
> use them.  (He told me the price, which is defintely cheaper than I
> used to pay in the city when I owned a business which required me
> buying those pails by the truckload to produce some things we sold.)
> 
> BEV - Can you explain the chemical process of this dry ice thing to 
> me?  Clueless here...

It is carbon dioxide, which is heavier than air.  It simply displaces
the air in the bucket, pushing it out.  Less air, less spoilage.  Less
air, living, air breathing critters (even eggs) suffocate.   In a bucket
of say rice, there are air spaces between the kernels of rice.  The dry
ice pushes out all that air and displaces it with carbon dioxide, so it
works throughout the bucket, not just in the airspace on the top.
I've found that the gamma seal lids were worth the price(I paid about $5
each for them) to keep food fresh.  I store my flour in 5 gallon
buckets, and the gamma seal (plus some bay leaves) keeps out weevils and
bugs.

> Other things I observed,  He had tons of tires along the fence lines 
> filled with soil.  I asked if for potatoes,,,, no it was to divert 
> flood water around his property away from his gardens.

Interesting idea.


> 
> (He gave me this tip to start potatoes - put whole potato in a paper 
> sack with either one whole apple or one whole banana.  Close up the 
> sack.  Wait until the eyes sprout, then cut into pieces, let those 
> pieces dry out - then plant.)  Does that sound about right?

Apples produce ethylene gas, which ripens fruit and makes potatoes and
other crops 'sprout' eyes.  Yes.


> 
> He told me that 2 years ago all the mice have disappeared from the 
> area, and says that the little animals leave before a volcano.... 
> LOL.
> 
> Anyway, it was sure fun to meet these two - although mostly it is the
>  husband's projects, as the wife doesn't do much,,,, she
doesn't even
>  cook or wash dishes (claims allergies....)

Perhaps the woman is chemically sensitive, but perhaps she uses that to
avoid work?  I'm glad you found a kindred spirit, Leslie.  You can learn
a lot from someone like that.

B


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>I am amazed that goats and chickens are number 100.
> Whoever wrote this is only planning to sustain themselves for a short
> period of time.
>

It's a 'survivalist' list, not a list for homesteaders. It's an odd
combination of things, sort like a combination "dig in" and "bug out"
strategy.  I wonder why "seasoned firewood" is #4...do most people have
anything to burn it in? Seems to me whoever made the list hasn't really
thought it through. It sure wouldn't be my list of things to stock up on.

Lynn Wigglesworth

> bobf wrote:
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> I've seen this list posted on other survival websites. I really don't
>> know if it is a good list.  But, there could be an item or two that has
>> slipped someone's mind......................................
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> 100 Items to Disappear First
>>
>> 1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target
>> of thieves; maintenance etc.)
>> 2. Water Filters/Purifiers
>> 3. Portable Toilets
>> 4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for
>> home uses.
>> 5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce,
>> stockpile ANY!)
>> 6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
>> 7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
>> 8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
>> 9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
>> 10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
>> 11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled
>> etc.,)
>> 12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
>> 13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR
>> PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
>> 16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
>> 17. Survival Guide Book.
>> 18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term
>> lighting is difficult.)
>> 19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
>> 20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
>> 21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
>> 22. Vitamins
>> 23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is
>> dangerous without this item)
>> 24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
>> 25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
>> 26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
>> 27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
>> 28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
>> 29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
>> 30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
>> 31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
>> 32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
>> 33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
>> 34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
>> 35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
>> 36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
>> 37. First aid kits
>> 38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
>> 39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
>> 40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
>> 41. Flour, yeast & salt
>> 42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go
>> first
>> 43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
>> 44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in
>> Wintertime.)
>> 45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
>> 46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
>> 47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience;
>> Historic Times)
>> 48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if
>> with wheels)
>> 49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail
>> clippers, etc
>> 50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
>> 51. Fishing supplies/tools
>> 52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
>> 53. Duct Tape
>> 54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
>> 55. Candles
>> 56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
>> 57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
>> 58. Garden tools & supplies
>> 59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
>> 60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
>> 61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
>> 62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
>> 63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
>> 64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
>> 65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
>> 66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
>> 67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
>> 68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
>> 69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
>> 70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
>> 71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of
>> water)
>> 72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
>> 73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
>> 74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
>> 75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
>> 76. Reading glasses
>> 77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
>> 78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
>> 79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
>> 80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
>> 81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
>> 82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
>> 83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
>> 84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
>> 85. Lumber (all types)
>> 86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
>> 87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
>> 88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
>> 89. Lantern Hangers
>> 90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
>> 91. Teas
>> 92. Coffee
>> 93. Cigarettes
>> 94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
>> 95. Paraffin wax
>> 96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
>> 97. Chewing gum/candies
>> 98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
>> 99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
>> 100. Goats/chickens
>>
>>
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