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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Yes, this is my concern - that I do not want to have to depend on and spend 
money on seeds............ 
 
If the world is miraculously "saved" from all the decisions that have been 
made over the past 100+ years, fine, there would be no need to worry about a 
seed source.  But I do not believe it is possible to rule out some pretty 
nasty times (at multiple levels), and therefore, preparation w/ heirlooms and 
learning how to harvest seeds very important.  
 
The worst case outcome?  Saved some money buying seeds.........and from what 
you write, improved veggie flavors...  Wait, and that is the worst - sounds 
like the best! 

--- On Sun, 12/14/08, EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:

From: EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Seed shortages
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 12:45 PM


Clansgian AT wmconnect.com wrote:

> Another thing is that almost all modern hybrids were developed with
> Monstanto and Dow Chemical in mind.  They were not hybridized for
> organic gardeners and the results show it.


Leslie, think about this:  Most people can think of some tomato variety
when they think of hybrids...something developed for commercial
purposes. Commercial hybrids(stuff you buy, either seeds or plants)
product 'fruit' that has met certain specific requirements..maybe it
has
a firmer texture and a more even skin or more appealing color...the
characteristics were chosen to make the product more like with hold up
to shipping and display in a grocery stand or simply to give that
picture perfect look.  Even worse, some companies, like Monsanto,
genetically engineer plants to withstand herbicide spraying and
more(almost all soybeans are GE, and corn, too)  If you plant a hybrid
every year, you will have to buy that seed every year, and every year
you will get a crop that is as close as you can get to the previous
year's crop-very dependable production.  You may find that there are a
few hybrids that you like and want to plant every year, but realize that
you can only do this as long as they are selling hybrid seed. So while
all that sounds great, it isn't the whole picture.  First, you don't
have to buy seeds every year, especially seeds for an inferior product
that can't be saved and won't ever adapt to your growing conditions.
Saving seed will save you money.  If you buy OP/heirloom seed, you can
save the seeds, and each generation, every year, the seeds carry with
them new genetic information about your soils, moisture, etc. that allow
the next generation to adapt ever so slightly.  Your saved Bloody
Butcher corn will be different than James' BB corn, but they will be
similar. (you can also trade such and possibly improve the vigor of both
strains) The big reason to buy and save OP seed is TASTE and some say,
nutrition. Many times, heirloom veggies will simply taste better..maybe
they are less bitter(like with eggplants) or more tender (greens) or
juicier or hotter or whatever good quality a vegetable should have.
Some people even claim that heirloom varieties contain more good things
like anti-oxidants and vitamins, which is why we eat veggies to begin
with.

B

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The site I rely on for nutrition is

http://www.nutritiondata.com/

You can look up almost any food and find nutritional information...plug
in a few things at the top and look at the data.  Adjust it for the way
it is cooked and serving size.

I use their nutrition tools a lot (look on the middle right side of the
page above and put in your stats and look at what all it pulls up)

There are a lot of interesting articles about glycemic load and such
things as the ratio between the various omega # fatty acids.

It is a great site, IMO.  I have it on my Firefox toolbar because I use
it all the time.

Bev


Leslie wrote:
> Yes, I knew all the below and did oversimplify all that chemistry in
> the post  ... :-)
>
> At the cellular level, yes glycogen.... and each of the different
> types of foods available take varying length of times to be broken
> down into glycogen, with the sugars category being converted very
> quickly.  Eat a candy bar, get the sugar rush (as you describe the
> process below) and then 20 mins later you get the Sugar Blues,
> resulting I believe from too much insulin and a depletion of the
> glycogen.

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