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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

You are absolutely right, Susan.  The only people who aren't rationed, 
already, are the very rich.  The poor have less rationing than even the upper 
middle class, though.  The poor have no assets to take, and , for now, the 
gov't picks up the bill.

  National centralized health care will do the same for everything else that 
is centralized as such.  It will lower the barrier of accepteble care for all 
"except" the very rich, who will pay the price for the best care.  

It will improve health care for no one.  It will appear to improve healthcare 
for the un-insured working until they see the "premium" reflected in 
additional taxes removed from their pay and charged to their good and 
services.  Centralization of thisa sort never works well except for those in 
power & their favorites, & their benefactors.

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--- On Thu, 12/4/08, sjc <indexer AT fairpoint.net> wrote:

> From: sjc <indexer AT fairpoint.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Tell me again why Republicans are good for people
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 12:28 PM
> bob ford wrote:
> > Marie, Medicare hasn't even started hitting the
> boomer generation, yet, and it is already broke.  yesterday
> (I think in the WSJ), a leading gov't doc was talking
> about using the UK system to determine how much it was worth
> - for the gov't-- to prolong a life (about $30,000 for a
> year, for someone our age).  That is rationing, today,
> before the gov't admits there is no money.
> >   
> Anyone who believes health care is not rationed today, now,
> here, all 
> around us,  is living in a dream world.  If you were to
> allowed 
> watch/listen in any emergency room in any major and many
> minor health 
> care facilities you'd get a really, really fast
> education about health 
> care and who gets what; unless you've already been
> there, it would 
> likely be on the order of a shock; they're not all
> "poor people", but 
> they all lose......
> 
> The part that is beginning to distress mainstream America
> is that it's 
> now moving into the middle classes, whereas before (until
> say the 
> mid-late sixties, where I was, IN & VA) it was mostly
> lower 
> income/social levels who came up short, now it's really
> gaining speed.  
> Now you can make a lot of money, and have the
> 'best' of records and 
> previous care.....but if it doesn't suit the insurance
> company to pay 
> they have many ways to shut you out believe me.   In
> addition to 
> outright denial (often with no reason given, bogus reasons
> perfectly 
> acceptable, etc), there are others:  costing
> services/procedures so high 
> they can't be paid for, delay tactics (dead folks
> don't need a new 
> kidney), and seemingly endless other ways to deny health
> services. 
> 
> Having said that, I think that there is no way, now or in
> the future, 
> that we can count on seeing a time without rationing.  It
> just isn't 
> within the realm of current possibility, anyway, to expect
> to live long, 
> replace parts at 'will' or by necessity, and so on
> without hitting some 
> price barrier.  But there sure as the world should be some
> way to fairly 
> apportion needed services across the board....what we have
> simply 
> enriches a few at the mercy of the many.
> 
> SJ
> 
> 
> 
> 
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