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  • From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
  • To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Vegetarian --well house door
  • Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:03:03 -0800 (PST)

Sage , I meant to say earlier that I looked at your blog. You husband did a
really good job on that oversized door for the well house. You did well to
pick up those hinges when you sdid. I picked up a pair from an old
commercial walk in freezer door that are huge for some later use. ....bobford

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--- On Mon, 11/17/08, eureka AT hctc.net <eureka AT hctc.net> wrote:

> From: eureka AT hctc.net <eureka AT hctc.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Vegetarian diet was Fennel
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 11:54 AM
> Ray, I encourage everyone to eat what's best for them.
> Some folks, like you and I, may have already discovered
> this even though we eat differently. But I think
> there's a
> lot of unhealthy people out there eating junk who still
> need to discover a healthier way of life. I don't judge
>
> people who choose to eat meat and respect what all the
> homestead folks are doing raising their own meat or
> supplementing with hunting. I may end up doing this
> someday for my dogs and cats, who, by the way, aren't
> subjected to vegetarian diets. I cook turkey for them
> using the Pitcairn dog recipes, and buy dried food for the
> cats. Finicky guest are always welcome to eat the with the
> dogs instead <g>.
>
> I think compared to most vegetarians, I need a higher
> amount of protein in my diet. So I'm kind of a
> carnivorous
> vegetarian. And if you consider I am a botanist eating
> plants, you will see we really aren't that different
> <g>
>
> --Sage
>
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:15:01 -0500
> rayzentz AT aim.com wrote:
> >
> > I am the last one to criticise the dietary choices and
>
> >needs of people, whether they are because of health
> >issues, or personal preferences. I haven't followed
> this
> >earlier part of the thread, but for me, I prefer most
> of
> >my veggies processed...? In other words, I AM a
> carnivore
> >
> >
> >
> > Veggies are food..., for food.
> >
> > Unlike you, Sage, I actually have a more difficult
> time
> >with high vegetable meals.?? I do like an occasional
> >salad, and corn and carrots, and I have learned to eat
> >broccoli, but a lot of other greens just run right on
> >through.?? Since developing diabetes, Which I control
> >through diet, I have cut down on breads and other grain
>
> >based foods, and eat more of the greens that I can
> >tolerate, but I am, and ever will be, a
> "meatasaurus"
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >From: eureka AT hctc.net
> > To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com; homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Sent: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:33 am
> > Subject: Re: [Homestead] Vegetarian diet was Fennel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob, I've been a vegetarian almost my entire life,
> from
> > the early beginings of spitting out Gerber baby meat
> > through discovering in an allergy test at age 20 I was
>
> > allergic to all meat except turkey. I already new I
> was
> > deathly allergic to seafood and shellfish growing up
> >from
> > some traumatic eating experiences. I have not eaten
> any
> > meat in thirty years, when I gave up turkey. I do eat
> >eggs
> > (that's why we raise chickens) and dairy. I'm
> called a
> > lacto-ovo vegetarian.
> >
> > Dairy tends to congest me, so I try to limit it in
> > quantity, but being married to a Cheesehead,
> that's
> >nearly
> > impossible <g>
> >
> > There are a lot of misconceptions about vegetarianism.
> > 1. We are rabbits: The worst is when I go to long
> > conferences and by checking "vegetarian
> option" this
> >means
> > I will be trying to beat everyone else to the cheese
> >cube
> > platter and living on salads like a bunny, basically
> > starving.
> >
> > 2. We can't tolerate spices: Another one is
> vegetarians
> > must like bland food (not true!). I remember a
> > particularly embarrasing American Airlines dinner
> flight
> > (back when they still served food) and my
> "vegetarian
> > option" was brought out in a special silver
> chaffing
> >dish
> > like I was the Queen of England, and ever eye was on
> me.
> > Taking the lid off, I discovered it to be a glump of
> > steamed brown rice and a glump of steamed barley with
> > nothing else! (I had the feeling this was the meal you
>
> >got
> > if you checked diabetic, salt-free, Kosher, whatever).
>
> > Everyone else was eating spagetti & meatballs,
> salad,
> >and
> > peanut butter cookies. I could've eaten this sans
> > meatballs. So many people felt sorry for me they
> started
> > passing me parts of their food.
> >
> > 3: Since we don't eat meat, we must not need
> protien:
> > Wrong! We get hungry just like everyone else. Getting
> > enough protein is very important.
> >
> > I don't know what kind of vegetarian food
> you've tried
> > that didn't taste good. I am considered by all my
> >friends
> > as one of the best cooks they know, and I've
> followed
> > recipes for so many years I can wing it intuitively.
> My
> > most favorite coo
> > kbooks (all from famous vegetarian
> > restuarnts) are:
> >
> > Moosewood Cookbook (early hippie, easy to make, kind
> of
> > heavy on the diary but tasty stuff)
> > New Recipes from the Moosewood Restaurant (focuses on
> > different ethnic cuisine recipes)
> >Field of Greens (One of the best, more involved, but
> > everything delicious!)
> > Millenium Cookbook (vegan upscale, very involved, but
> > delicious and worth it--I use this for special dinners
>
> > where I can spend a day in preparation)
> >
> >For protein, I either use complimentary combinations of
>
> > grains and legumes based on Recipes for a Small Planet
>
> > (boring recipes, but good nutrition ideas) or buy the
> > following (mostly found in the frozen food
> section/cool
> > dairy) which are lower in fat and cholesterol than
> meat:
> >
> > Quorn www.quorn.com (my favorite, made from
> mycoprotein
> > ie. fungus and tastes like chicken-patties, cutlets,
> > tenders)
> > Morningstar Farms www.seeveggiesdifferently.com (steak
>
> > strips (husband's favorite), chicken strips,
> sausage
> > patties, links, fake bacon, bratworst and Italian
> > sausages)
> > Boca www.bocaburger.com (most meatlike burgers)
> > LightLife
> > http://www.lightlife.com/product_category.jsp?c=deli
> > (pepperoni, turkey, balogna, ham lunchmeat)
> > White Wave
> >http://www.tofutown.net/index.php?sid=Products
> > (wheat meat, tempe, seitan, baked tofu, tofu)
> >
> > The main thing to know about veggie protein is most of
>
> >it
> > is already cooked and just needs reheating,
> overcooking
> >it
> > turns into rubber, so I add it last instead of first
> in
> > recipes like stews, gumbo, etc.
> >
> > There is *nothing* bland in most vegetarian's
> diets.
> >Hope
> > this helps you explore. We priced it out once and the
> > veggie protein costs the same as meat. But check out
> the
> > health stats on the websites and you can see the
> >benefits.
> >
> > --Sage
> > Way Out in Texas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:19:34 -0800 (PST)
> > bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> If you don't mind; are you complete
> vegetarian? do you
> >>eat fish? or cheese?. I really need to move away
> from
> >>red meat. Most vegetarian foods (except for fresh
> >>produce) don't taste good
> > , in my experience ......bobford
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