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  • From: rayzentz AT aim.com
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  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Vegetarian diet was Fennel
  • Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:15:01 -0500


I am the last one to criticise the dietary choices and needs of people,
whether they are because of health issues, or personal preferences. I haven't
followed this earlier part of the thread, but for me, I prefer most of my
veggies processed...? In other words, I AM a carnivore



Veggies are food..., for food.

Unlike you, Sage, I actually have a more difficult time with high vegetable
meals.?? I do like an occasional salad, and corn and carrots, and I have
learned to eat broccoli, but a lot of other greens just run right on
through.?? Since developing diabetes, Which I control through diet, I have
cut down on breads and other grain based foods, and eat more of the greens
that I can tolerate, but I am, and ever will be, a "meatasaurus"

Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: eureka AT hctc.net
To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com; homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:33 am
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Vegetarian diet was Fennel




Bob, I've been a vegetarian almost my entire life, from
the early beginings of spitting out Gerber baby meat
through discovering in an allergy test at age 20 I was
allergic to all meat except turkey. I already new I was
deathly allergic to seafood and shellfish growing up from
some traumatic eating experiences. I have not eaten any
meat in thirty years, when I gave up turkey. I do eat eggs
(that's why we raise chickens) and dairy. I'm called a
lacto-ovo vegetarian.

Dairy tends to congest me, so I try to limit it in
quantity, but being married to a Cheesehead, that's nearly
impossible <g>

There are a lot of misconceptions about vegetarianism.
1. We are rabbits: The worst is when I go to long
conferences and by checking "vegetarian option" this means
I will be trying to beat everyone else to the cheese cube
platter and living on salads like a bunny, basically
starving.

2. We can't tolerate spices: Another one is vegetarians
must like bland food (not true!). I remember a
particularly embarrasing American Airlines dinner flight
(back when they still served food) and my "vegetarian
option" was brought out in a special silver chaffing dish
like I was the Queen of England, and ever eye was on me.
Taking the lid off, I discovered it to be a glump of
steamed brown rice and a glump of steamed barley with
nothing else! (I had the feeling this was the meal you got
if you checked diabetic, salt-free, Kosher, whatever).
Everyone else was eating spagetti & meatballs, salad, and
peanut butter cookies. I could've eaten this sans
meatballs. So many people felt sorry for me they started
passing me parts of their food.

3: Since we don't eat meat, we must not need protien:
Wrong! We get hungry just like everyone else. Getting
enough protein is very important.

I don't know what kind of vegetarian food you've tried
that didn't taste good. I am considered by all my friends
as one of the best cooks they know, and I've followed
recipes for so many years I can wing it intuitively. My
most favorite coo
kbooks (all from famous vegetarian
restuarnts) are:

Moosewood Cookbook (early hippie, easy to make, kind of
heavy on the diary but tasty stuff)
New Recipes from the Moosewood Restaurant (focuses on
different ethnic cuisine recipes)
Field of Greens (One of the best, more involved, but
everything delicious!)
Millenium Cookbook (vegan upscale, very involved, but
delicious and worth it--I use this for special dinners
where I can spend a day in preparation)

For protein, I either use complimentary combinations of
grains and legumes based on Recipes for a Small Planet
(boring recipes, but good nutrition ideas) or buy the
following (mostly found in the frozen food section/cool
dairy) which are lower in fat and cholesterol than meat:

Quorn www.quorn.com (my favorite, made from mycoprotein
ie. fungus and tastes like chicken-patties, cutlets,
tenders)
Morningstar Farms www.seeveggiesdifferently.com (steak
strips (husband's favorite), chicken strips, sausage
patties, links, fake bacon, bratworst and Italian
sausages)
Boca www.bocaburger.com (most meatlike burgers)
LightLife
http://www.lightlife.com/product_category.jsp?c=deli
(pepperoni, turkey, balogna, ham lunchmeat)
White Wave http://www.tofutown.net/index.php?sid=Products
(wheat meat, tempe, seitan, baked tofu, tofu)

The main thing to know about veggie protein is most of it
is already cooked and just needs reheating, overcooking it
turns into rubber, so I add it last instead of first in
recipes like stews, gumbo, etc.

There is *nothing* bland in most vegetarian's diets. Hope
this helps you explore. We priced it out once and the
veggie protein costs the same as meat. But check out the
health stats on the websites and you can see the benefits.

--Sage
Way Out in Texas




On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:19:34 -0800 (PST)
bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you don't mind; are you complete vegetarian? do you
>eat fish? or cheese?. I really need to move away from
>red meat. Most vegetarian foods (except for fresh
>produce) don't taste good
, in my experience ......bobford
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