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["Lynda" <lurine AT softcom.net>]

Just sitting around thinking about "back in the day" because someone made up 
this long lsit of 60s stuff and remembered what bugged me about my 6 Degrees 
list.

Besides al-Mansour (Black Panther), I knew here was some additional link 
between Teflon and Columbia.

Columbia to Obama
Columbia to the birth of the Weathermen

O'Leary to the Weathermen
O'Leary to the Black Panthers

And for those that don't know the history, the Weathermen were "born" at 
Columbia, some say, in part, because of the killing of a Black Panther by a 
police officer.  And the O'Leary, Weathermen, Black Panthers connection, for 
those that don't remember, it is the Weathermen that broke O'Leary out of 
jail and got him out of the country and to the Black Panthers' compound in 
Africa.

Ah, the tangled web it grows and grows.

Lynda
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EarthNSky" <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>


> I had no idea.  I did a quick search on Vogler and I think I get it now.
>  Vogler = Ayers
> AIP = CDC/Woods Fund
> Iranians supports Palin through AIP
> Iranians supports Obama through Hamas   :)
>
> With my Libertarian leanings, I think I can get away with saying
> "'that one' was yet another Libertarian kook'.
> I wonder if they said that about Thomas Jefferson in his day.
> Of course, then I found this:
> "Old Joe" wanted Alaska lands homesteaded, federal regulations on land
> development toileted, an end of rules of behavior from paternal
> governments and a road from Fairbanks to Nome, opening western Alaska to
> development and settlers."
> Which made me kind of like the guy.
> And then
> this...(http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/031408/nei_257857638.shtml)
>
> > Surprisingly, a constitutional lawyer by education, Vogler maintained
> >  Alaska statehood violated the U.N. Charter which the United States
> > signed. That charter declared signatory's territories must be allowed
> >  self-determination and a vote on independence. "Old Joe" claimed
> > both Alaska and Hawaii were denied this. FDR had the clause placed in
> > the charter knowing such a vote would have to be held in Alaska.
> >
> > Constitutionally, Vogler was also correct that Alaska statehood is
> > illegal since the United States did not give territorial Alaskans the
> >  option of independence when statehood was voted on. (If one studies
> > the Alaskan newspapers of the late 1950s, there was discussion of
> > becoming a commonwealth similar to today's Puerto Rico rather than
> > becoming a state. There was no discussion of independence.)
> >
> > Every Supreme Court ruling since Chief Justice John Marshall declared
> >  Georgia's seizure of Cherokee lands in the 1820sillegal has
> > maintained that signed treaties like the U.N. Charter are paramount
> > over acts and laws passed by Congress including the Alaska Statehood
> > Bill. But, with the Cold War on, neither Truman nor Eisenhower were
> > going to take a chance of losing Alaska's strategic position,
> > maintained "Old Joe."
>
> So the guy was Anti-American and vocal about it.  I couldn't find any
> actual violence(from any kind of terrorist act) other than his death,
> but I only looked at maybe 5 pages.
> I suppose the difference in the Vogler/Ayers comparison is that Vogler
> is dead and the Palins joined up after his death.   Vogler's cohorts
> don't seem to share his staunch anti-American beliefs.  Ayers is alive
> and Obama worked directly with him.  Those that surround Ayers seem to
> share his Anti-Americanism.
>
> To recap from the AIP site:
> > The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to
> > in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
>  1) Remain a Territory.
>  2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
>  3) Accept Commonwealth status.
>  4) Become a State.
>
> So, what is wrong with that?
> I have a question for y'all...is this any different than say, the Lakota
> Nation wanting a vote?    Would we be so critical of a Native American
> candidate involved with such a group?
>
> Is there anything else I am missing?
>
> Bev
>
>
>
>
>
> Marie McHarry wrote:
>
> > The party seems to have moved beyond the initial aspirations of its
> > founder, Joe Vogler, who wrote that "the fires of hell are frozen
> > glaciers compared to my hatred of the United States." Mr. Vogler
> > apparently died in a deal for plastic explosives gone bad, which
> > stopped his appearance before the UN (sponsored by the Iranian
> > government) to speak for Alaska independence. None of it seems too
> > awful unless you are friendly toward it *and* want to be the US VP. I
> >  don't think they've blown anyone up recently.
>
>
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> the government and I'm here to help.'"  Ronald Reagan
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