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Marie McHarry wrote:
> > I suppose the difference in the Vogler/Ayers comparison is that Vogler
> > is dead and the Palins joined up after his death.   Vogler's cohorts
> > don't seem to share his staunch anti-American beliefs.  Ayers is alive
> > and Obama worked directly with him.  Those that surround Ayers seem to
> > share his Anti-Americanism.

>  I'm not sure on what basis you make that determination. Are you
> saying that Walter Annenberg and Rich Daley are anti-American.

No.  I don't know anything about Daley, other than he was a famous 
Chicago major.  I'd never heard of Annenberg, or Ayers for that matter, 
before a few weeks ago. (I do recall seeing SDS spray-painted on stuff 
in my childhood, so I was glad to be able to learn more about that!) My 
knowledge of these things is limited because my research is limited, but 
from what I have read, Annenberg was a billionaire philathropist.  Feel 
free to question or challenge any of the stuff below. It is my 
understanding from pages I have read.  I may have mixed stuff up or got 
the facts wrong.  In some cases, I may not have hard facts, just my opinion.
I think one distinction I am making that others apparently are not is 
that I consider the Chicago Annenberg challenge an Ayers organization, 
not an Annenberg organization.  It was Ayers who got the grant to start 
it, and IMO, the Annenberg Foundation screwed up when they gave him 
millions of dollars to disperse for his 'educational' initiatives. 
From all that I have read Walter Annenberg was not anti-establishment 
or anti-US.  The AF money that created the CAC went to a variety of 
educational programs, some of which were anti-American. I know that mine 
is a very minority opinion since he got citizenship awards for doing 
that, but nevertheless, I don't think the matching taxpayer money should 
have gone to support that. As you know, Obama is the one that handed out 
Ayers' money to those groups.  I would not do such work if I did not 
morally agree with what I was doing.  Even if 90% of the money went to 
good causes, that other 10% is what matter and defines the 
transgression, IMO.

When I wrote 'those that surround Ayers' I was actually thinking of 
Jeremiah Wright, who received some of that 'education' money(at some 
money for education that I think was from CAC), and KAM, whom Ayers knew 
through the Black Panthers and who allegedly knew them because he raised 
money for Obama. (No one is talking about it because it is illegal for 
foreign campaign groups to donate money to American political parties, 
and they don't want to sully Obama's campaign.) Ayers was a BP 
sympathizer and from what I read, the judge he attacked had heard a BP 
case.  While I don't think Wright and Ayers knew each other personally, 
they are cut from the same mold, both Anti-American.  I probably should 
have written ...surround Ayers/Obama. But of those Anti-American 
Chicagoans, Obama had connections to many of them, in addition to those 
I already mentioned there is also Elijah Muhammed.

I think Ayers et. al are hoodlums.  They are now educated hoodlums, with 
connections that stem from wealthy families, but hoodlums nevertheless. 
 I think there is some kind of analogy about lipstick on a pig or 
something<g>.... They are also smart, and have fingers in a lot of 
enterprises, some good, some bad. A smart criminal is one who does so 
many good things that people don't see the bad, or they overlook 
anything that might be morally questionable.  Bin Laden uses this 
tactic, too, building schools and hospitals to win over those he needs 
to help hide his location.

Bev

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