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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

Well, if you do (become Prophet) don't forget my name.  That would be a heck 
of a personal reference ...<g>.

The POGP was a ''first as were some of the other pampletes, condition was 
poor, even pages and plates missing.  People forgot that the orginals 
(published) were quite small and thin paper pamplets.  The ones I had were 
handsewn into a bound voulume.  

The guy I sold/traded with  probably donated them to the church.  Had it been 
complete in excellent condition, it would have been a trade for a very nice , 
brand new automobile.  Even in bad shape, I could have gotten, a good running 
car with auto & a/c.  I wanted a couple of Carson McCullers 'firsts' and a 
few other items, instead.  We were both satisfied.  ...bobford


--- On Thu, 10/9/08, rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com> wrote:

> From: rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Christian faith
> To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 3:57 PM
> Yes, he did.   I was referring to the actual organization of
> the Mormon 
> church, which was in April of 1830.
> 
> According to the historical record, in 1820, Joseph Smith
> (age 14) saw 
> a vision of God the Father, and Jesus Christ, side by side.
> In 1823, an angel, named  Moroni, (not a chameleon
> <g>) visited him 
> several times, and these visits culminated in Joseph Smith
> recieving 
> golden plates, that he later translated into the Book of
> Mormon.
> The Pearl of Great Price came later, and was a translation
> of scrolls 
> that came with a mummy.   Because of JS prior translation,
> he was asked 
> by the owners of the mummy to transate the scrolls, which
> he did.
> 
> You had a first edition?   I hope you were satisfied with
> the trade.
> 
> Yeah, I've heard that both Brigham, and Jesus, were
> bearded, along with 
> John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, Lorenzo Snow, Joseph F
> Smith, Heber J. 
> Grant, and George Albert Smith.   In fact, up until 1951,
> when David O 
> McKay became the prophet, all Mormon prophets were bearded.
>   Don't 
> worry, though.  I'm quite sure I will never be the
> prophet   ;-)
> 
> So, yes, your memory was good
> 
> Ray
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 3:22 pm
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Christian faith
> 
> 
> 
> Didn't he see Moroni or another angel or a chameleon 
> or something in 
> 1823?
> I had a first edition of "A Pearl Of Great Price"
> (1851),and some other 
> assorted
> bound pamplets, a number of years ago.  Traded it to a guy
> in Utah for 
> some
> books I wanted.  And, yes, I knew what I had ,and its
> value, 
> considering its
> condition.
> 
> Didn't Brigham Young have a beard?  I'm ceratin
> I've seen a photo <g> 
> of Jesus
> wearing a beard, too.
> 
> Christians are no different than any other group with a
> point of view.  
> They
> have simply been more effective.  And, no one, regardless
> of belief or
> non-belief, would argue with the actual teachings of
> Christ.
> 
> Look up when Mr. Smith met that angel.  You would know more
> than I 
> would, but I
> believe I remember the date correctly (of course I called
> my mother in 
> March for
> her birthday, which is actually in May --messesd up with
> the
> "M's").......bobford
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 10/9/08, rayzentz AT aim.com
> <rayzentz AT aim.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Homestead] Christian faith
> > To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 3:02 PM
> > Actually, that would be 1830.   ;-)
> >
> > Seriously, Mormons had to deal with that same
> intolerance
> > from
> > "christians" around them.   Persecution was
> the
> > reason they left the
> > US, and went to Utah.   That is one thing that is so
> > infuriating about
> > where I live now.   "Utah Mormons" are some
> of
> > the most intolerant
> > people I know.   They should know better.   Mormons
> > elsewhere are much
> > more of the "Live and let live" types,
> although
> > there are always
> > exceptions.
> >
> > It's funny, but I have long hair and a beard.   I
> am
> > always getting
> > strange looks from people, particularly in church.   I
> > actually had
> > some one tell me once that if I was ever selected to
> be a
> > Bishop, I
> > would have to cut my hair, and be clean shaven.   My
> > response was, "No,
> > I won't.   God knows I have a beard, and the long
> hair.
> >   If he wants
> > me, he gets me, hair and all.   If the long hair
> > disqualifies me, well,
> > that's all right too".
> >
> > The conversation kinda just ended there.
> >
> > I have no desire to ever be a Bishop...  ;-)
> >
> > But no, I think christianity, as a whole, is no longer
> in
> > the mindset
> > it was.   The same can't be said for all
> individuals,
> > though.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> > To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 1:52 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Homestead] Christian faith
> >
> >
> >
> > 'You mean since about 1823 ?  <G>
> > ..........bobford
> >
> > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, rayzentz AT aim.com
> > <rayzentz AT aim.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com>
> >   Also,
> > > regarding Christianity, I think it has
> "grown
> > up"
> > > a bit, in the last
> > > century or so.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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