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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

Ray,  I agree with you on many things, but not on this.  I remember school 
friends who hated their names because it made them "not fit in".  And, these 
were largely all people with similar ethnic and regional heritage.  

I believe there is probably more prejudice against his name than his skin 
color.  I have a feeling that the family name of (Christian of East Indian 
heritage)the gov. of Louisiana would not be simply "Bobby Jindal", if such 
things didn't matter,  each of his names could have been eight syllables .

And, remember, bbefore you speak of names and sub-cultures, we have a very 
nice, reponsible, lady on this list who goes by "Moon".  Not to mention , I 
call two of my brothers "Bubba" ...<G> ...bobford


--- On Wed, 10/8/08, rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com> wrote:

> From: rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] What if OBama
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 10:10 AM
> Part of this was insufficient info on my part.   I did some
> checking.   
> The source I had was wrong.   My mistake on the
> "official" status of 
> his name.   I apologize to you all.
> 
> my point, however, remains the same, and is this.  
> Obviously, he has 
> chosen to use different names, at different times, to
> "fit in", as you 
> put it.   Names are important, as this is how one is
> identified in 
> society.   If an individual chooses to go by different
> names, this must 
> be because of a desire to be identified differently, what
> ever 
> motivation may be at the root.   I grow concerned when a
> person chooses 
> to use a name with less than auspicious connotations,
> unless you seek 
> to identify with a group that approves.   It would be no
> different if 
> he chose to call himself "Chirp birdie bird".  
> This would be an 
> attempt to identify with a particular sub-culture, for
> which I have 
> little respect.   Thus, I would have little respect for the
> individual, 
> either.
> 
> We are judged by those with whom we associate.
> 
> Ray
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 9:34 am
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] What if OBama
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
> > rayzentz AT aim.com wrote:
> >
> >> However, I find it interesting that when such a
> "good Christian Man"
> >> CHOOSES to be called by names other than those he
> was given, he 
> chooses
> >> good staunch names from a muslim tradition.   My
> question simply
> >> becomes "Why?"   And he has not given a
> satisfactory answer to this.
> >
> > I though Barack Hussien Obama WAS his birth name? I
> thought he used
> > 'Barry' when he was young (probably to
> 'fit in' better). With a name
> > like Wigglesworth, I can admire someone who proudly
> uses their real
> > name. :-)
> 
> At least it is memorable, Lynn. :)
> 
> But yeah Ray, you kind of lost me on this one, too.  I am
> not sure
> exactly what you are getting at, so clarify if you can. 
> Lynn is 
> correct
> from my understanding.  He also used the name Barry Dunham,
> but BHO is
> official.
> 
> Bev
> --
> "The nine most terrifying words in the English
> language are: 'I'm from
> the government and I'm here to help.'"  Ronald
> Reagan
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