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[EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>]

Ok, let's back up.
First point is that I paraphrased a teacher I had.
Second point is that the comment was made circa 1973. :)
Third, I believe the comment was directed towards media, education, 
music, etc.
The teacher himself was product of the conservative values of the 1940's 
and 1950's.  They were uber-conservative to the point, some say, of 
being repressed.  I suppose those people of the 1950's were products of 
the Depression years.  Anyway, music had a way of kicking down the wall, 
but anytime the country hits an extreme, it really doesn't take much of 
an impetus for things to turn in the other direction.  I think we are 
seeing that now, to some degree.  So Swampy was a 50's product who 
became culture shocked in the 60's when Liberalism ran amok.  That trend 
continued into the 70's and even the 80's.  It was necessary to bring us 
back towards the middle as a society, as a new generation.
Now, it is _my_ opinion that perhaps we have gone a bit too far with 
these ideals.  I think we overshot somewhere and got too much of a good 
thing.  Before you jump on my case, as much as I would LOVE to see 
everyone in America living in a little house with a nice garden plot and 
a picket fence out from, it just isn't going to happen because we are 
now too diverse.  It is not the same world we grew up in.  In this 
country alone, there are 3 times as many people as when I was growing 
up. It is easy to bring programs to homogeneous cultures, but not so 
easy when there are so many flavors in the salad bowl.  That doesn't 
mean it is a bad thing, just a challenging thing.  Simple solutions no 
longer work, and in complexity you get more government, more opportunity 
for corruption and more waste.  It is a no win situation.  So when the 
Democrats(Frank, Dodd etc) pushed Fannie and Freddie for equal lending a 
few years back, equal lending to the point where no one would be 
refused, IMO, that is an example of Liberalism as a tool of destruction, 
because look where we are today.  And yet, still, regardless of R/D or 
C/L labels, we have politicians wanting to bail out even more 
people(referencing McCain's plan here).
Call me whatever, but I think it is time for the bailouts to stop.  I 
think it is time that we stopped trying to help everyone under the sun 
and make them responsible for themselves.  We should not be paying for 
people to rebuild on Bolivar and other places that are low lying barrier 
islands.
So, is that hateful...you may think so. It doesn't feel hateful to me. 
It feels like tough love for my fellow man.   The more help we give to 
people, the more dependent they become and the less they do for 
themselves.
Your Revolutionary is all about doing more for the people of the world 
as well as Americans.  We will make people more dependent on government 
with his programs;  We will find more people turning to bite the hand 
that feeds them.   We just need to stop.  I don't know how, but we need 
to stop  intervening in both countries and lives of Americans and allow 
people, the individual to make it or break it on their own, just as our 
homesteading ancestors did.

Bev

Gene GeRue wrote:
> On Oct 7, 2008, at 11:38 PM, EarthNSky wrote:
>
> > . . . I recall someone
> > saying that the Russians won't destroy America with nukes, we will be
> > infiltrated and destroyed by idealists who don't know where to draw  
> > the
> > line.  We will destroy ourselves with our own liberal ideas.
>
> We are destroying ourselves from within right now. But, "with our own  
> liberal ideas?" Right now it looks like conservative ideas-- 
> deregulation and socializing big business--are destroying our economy.  
> Right now, after eight years of a conservative in the Oval Office, we  
> at each other's throats with hateful words.
>
> Seems to me the reconstruction starts with each of us being more  
> respectful of each other.

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"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from 
the government and I'm here to help.'"  Ronald Reagan