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[rayzentz AT aim.com]

Did these friends use other names, in an attempt to "fit in" better?   
My brother hated (still does) his middle name, so he NEVER used it, and 
was angered when someone did.   However, he has never changed it.

I agree with you on the prejudice.   You are probably correct.

Two Brothers?  called Bubba? How do you tell them apart?   ;-)

I have a nephew who is called Bubba by his parents, and other family 
members.   I use his name.   Why?  He asked me to.

I go by different names, in diferent circunstances.   At school, for 
instance, I am called Dr Z by most, occasionally Mr. Z.   Among 
friends, it's usually Ray, or Z.  At home, it's mostly Dad, although 
"Schmuck" sometimes is used, as well.  ;-)

However, these are names used by others.   The only name I have ever 
chosen, is in the SCA, where I am known as Padruig McTavish.

When we choose to use a name, it is because we want to "fit in" with a 
particular group, or create a certain perception of ourselves.   It's 
the why of this choice that is of most interest to me, not necessarily 
the name, itself.

Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:26 am
Subject: Re: [Homestead] What if OBama



Ray,  I agree with you on many things, but not on this.  I remember 
school
friends who hated their names because it made them "not fit in".  And, 
these
were largely all people with similar ethnic and regional heritage.

I believe there is probably more prejudice against his name than his 
skin color.
I have a feeling that the family name of (Christian of East Indian 
heritage)the
gov. of Louisiana would not be simply "Bobby Jindal", if such things 
didn't
matter,  each of his names could have been eight syllables .

And, remember, bbefore you speak of names and sub-cultures, we have a 
very nice,
reponsible, lady on this list who goes by "Moon".  Not to mention , I 
call two
of my brothers "Bubba" ...<G> ...bobford


--- On Wed, 10/8/08, rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com> wrote:

> From: rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] What if OBama
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 10:10 AM
> Part of this was insufficient info on my part.   I did some
> checking.
> The source I had was wrong.   My mistake on the
> "official" status of
> his name.   I apologize to you all.
>
> my point, however, remains the same, and is this.
> Obviously, he has
> chosen to use different names, at different times, to
> "fit in", as you
> put it.   Names are important, as this is how one is
> identified in
> society.   If an individual chooses to go by different
> names, this must
> be because of a desire to be identified differently, what
> ever
> motivation may be at the root.   I grow concerned when a
> person chooses
> to use a name with less than auspicious connotations,
> unless you seek
> to identify with a group that approves.   It would be no
> different if
> he chose to call himself "Chirp birdie bird".
> This would be an
> attempt to identify with a particular sub-culture, for
> which I have
> little respect.   Thus, I would have little respect for the
> individual,
> either.
>
> We are judged by those with whom we associate.
>
> Ray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 9:34 am
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] What if OBama
>
>
>
>
> Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
> > rayzentz AT aim.com wrote:
> >
> >> However, I find it interesting that when such a
> "good Christian Man"
> >> CHOOSES to be called by names other than those he
> was given, he
> chooses
> >> good staunch names from a muslim tradition.   My
> question simply
> >> becomes "Why?"   And he has not given a
> satisfactory answer to this.
> >
> > I though Barack Hussien Obama WAS his birth name? I
> thought he used
> > 'Barry' when he was young (probably to
> 'fit in' better). With a name
> > like Wigglesworth, I can admire someone who proudly
> uses their real
> > name. :-)
>
> At least it is memorable, Lynn. :)
>
> But yeah Ray, you kind of lost me on this one, too.  I am
> not sure
> exactly what you are getting at, so clarify if you can.
> Lynn is
> correct
> from my understanding.  He also used the name Barry Dunham,
> but BHO is
> official.
>
> Bev
> --
> "The nine most terrifying words in the English
> language are: 'I'm from
> the government and I'm here to help.'"  Ronald
> Reagan
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