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  • From: "Lynda" <lurine AT softcom.net>
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  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Fannie/Freddie bailout question
  • Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:54:14 -0800

That's what youngest does. She raises turkey and sheep. Stashes most of the money as she has "plans" which include visiting Europe. She sells her turkeys for $40/ea and that's live! That's more than 100% profit. Folks will pay a whole bunch of money for something that is free ranged. Same with her lambs. She does two to sell at the fair where she just cleared $1900 for two lambs and the rest she sells for $3 a pound on the hoof. She's doesn't do any of the processing. She usually picks up the lambs for $20-$40 at the auction and spends maybe $50 for feed. The lambs average 145-165 when she sells them, so she's clearing about $300 a lamb.

Lynda
----- Original Message ----- From: <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>


Maybe my own children. At least they conduct their affairs like that right
now. For example 13 yo daughter had her eye on something she wanted to
purchase and so his morning after hearing her rumble through the corn bin for a
while, she comes up with half a dozen rather skillfully done corn dollies which
will soon appear on her Etsy account. So far for them its always been cash in
the purse before we consider buying anything.

Other than that? No one. Less than no one.



My brother says it
is the best thing I have ever done. Considering all the mistakes I
have made, I cannot disagree. I have never regretted borrowing that
purchase money.

No doubt. I once ran my left thumb,. neatly straight from the tip to the
knuckle, into a table saw blade. I knew that in the emergency room there was a
doctor there fresh from Viet Nam (this was some years ago) who was really,
really good a trauma injuries. I could get in to see a doctor in ten minutes or
defer in the triage and see the other doctor whenever he could manage it. I
deferred.

If you've never had such a bone injury, you cannot imagine the pain. I had
come to the hospital as I had been in the shop, shorts and tank shirt and
nothing else. I was freezing, losing blood, going into shock from the pain, and it
took two hours of that to see the doctor.

It was one of the best decisions that I ever made. He reconstructed the
thumb and except that I can very accurately predict rains storms with it, one can
hardly tell it was ever injured. I do not regret waiting that two hours to
see him.

It does not follow that I'd run my other thumb into a table saw blade to see
him again.

While I don't think we suffer from collective dementia to the point that
people will ever think that it's good to saw up one's thumbs, or at least there's
no need to safeguard against it since there are good trauma physicians out
there, yet we do have enough dementia to think that debt's OK, or at least
there's no need to have a feasible plan in our financial lives since, after all, we
can always borrow the money.

I'm glad the debt worked for you, and if I had had no other option, I'd have
taken out a mortgage too. But I've never been that enthusiastic about thumb
sawing on any level if I can avoid it.


>Perhaps in some cases. But note that we now have a minority race man
who may become our next president who used student loans to get an



Hmmm, I've got to mull over the notion of 'education' in that context. Is
the big O more knowledgeable or skilled than most men I know his age? I don't
think so. So when we say a Harvard "education" what do we really mean?
Connections and name recognition, I'd say. That's what one buys with that tuition
money.

But even if I conceded the point on real estate and "education", the argument
being made is "Look at all these wonderful things debt can buy!" Yes, but
NO debt can buy them as well. Even better. It's a little like saying, "Look
at this wonderful tomato! They sell tomatoes at WalMart so doesn't it follow
that since tomatoes are desirable then WalMart must be a wonderful thing?"
No, the tomato would be much better if it was growing in your backyard.

Same with real estate and education. If all you can manage is a tomato from
WalMart, then perhaps that's better than no tomato at all. But that's sad.
And even sadder if it is the expected and the norm.


I did want to answer this too:
And were your early real estate purchases worth the same when you sold
them as when you bought them? I suspect not. If not, what was their
rate of appreciation?


No, you are right. I did OK on all of them. No, I did much better than OK
because I bought them with cash and all the appreciation in them was mine
alone. Because they were cash (and the first one was modest indeed!) there were
no closing costs, no inspections (except my own), no mortgage insurance, etc.
and above all no interest. All that went into my pocket. I did, of course,
buy title insurance and paid for a title search (I could do a title search
myself, but you can't get title insurance that way).

A lot of people tell me, "I paid $30K for this property and after ten years
it's worth $55K!" Yes indeed, but although the amount of the mortgage is
$30K, in the first ten years they've paid $50K in payments and other fees so
they've really only "made" $5K.

Moreover the money I DIDN't pay in interest went into other investments that
paid me interest or appreciation.


So, yes, real estate that I've owned has always (it was the times) sold for
more than I paid for it. But, says I, that's ALL the MORE reason to not borrow
to buy it.

I guess I just live on a different planet! </HTML>
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