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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

You are correct, I think we had some of our messages mixed.  And I wasn't 
aware of what was happening in The District.  I'll have to read up on that.  
But even before I educate myself on the facts of the issue ( which sound 
terrible, so far); I have to think that the the council members have declined 
to fire the chief for a reason.
  
Some in that city want to separate from others in that city for reasons that 
heterfore even economic restrictions didn't bring to fruition. This 
segregation is desired by some element in the District.  And, The District is 
not exactly run by right wing bible thumpers who look like me.
If you have a link from the Wash. Post or The Wash. Times on this issue , 
please post.
......sorry for the confusion....bobford


--- On Thu, 6/26/08, paxamicus AT earthlink.net <paxamicus AT earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: paxamicus AT earthlink.net <paxamicus AT earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] SCOTUS strikes gun ban
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 1:46 PM
> I think we are misunderstanding each other. The DC chief of
> police has  
> set up what is a de facto ghetto in the SE section of DC.
> People  
> coming and going are subject to search and questioning for
> no other  
> reason than being there. I was not talking about gating
> communities in  
> the slightest. On one hand, their Constitutional right to
> bear arms,  
> on the other, a complete infringement of their right to
> freedom. It  
> was that bit or irony I was commenting on.
> 
> The citizens living in that section have complained
> strenuously, but  
> it hasn't just gone away. Gated communities are a very
> different  
> thing. People choose them.
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 26, 2008, at 12:56 PM, bob ford wrote:
> 
> > Come-on now,  You've always seemed to be a worldly
> person; you've  
> > surely spent time visiting people in those communities
> in urban  
> > areas.  Do you really think the expense and
> unappealing aesthetics   
> > of the gates, tall fences, and armed guards are there
> to isolate  
> > those people who "choose" to live there from
> other people who look  
> > and behave like them.
> >
> > Those impediments are there to separate them from the
> 'different',  
> > the 'other'.
> >
> > In the case you describe or in gated communities, one
> type of  
> > citizen is being separated from another.  I'm not
> saying either way  
> > is right or wrong ( though I do have an opinion),
> I'm just  
> > acknowledging what I see.
> >
> > I love it when I visit acquaintances in those gated
> communities and  
> > hear them parroting multi-cultural phraseology and
> talking about  
> > their progressive political leanings.  In reality, the
> main color in  
> > their lives generally happen when they are sitting in
> Starbucks ,  
> > drinking a dark coffee; going to a professional sports
> game; or  
> > paying their gardeners.
> >
> > I actually live a multi-cultural life.  The next door
> neighbor to  
> > the south of me is a single homosexual man with an
> ex-wife and grown  
> > children; the next house is is a male homosexual
> couple (they've  
> > been together for at least the fourteen years since
> they moved into  
> > the neighborhood), my next door neighbor to the north
> is a nice guy,  
> > but a he is a homophobe who won't speak to the
> others, though he did  
> > help the couple once with a tree problem, he just
> wouldn't act too  
> > friendly.   Across the street from him is a lesbian
> with a black  
> > male roommate.  The neighbor across from me is a
> former racist who  
> > married a woman with a ten year old black daughter. 
> My neighbor  
> > treats that little girl like a princess. The lady next
> to him is  
> > Jewish.  My wife is Catholic and I'm just weird.
> >
> > Our neighborhood is largely white and Christian,but
> with the welcome  
> > inclusion of the 'other'; And we tend to only
> wall in our back yards.
> >
> > If you have to have fences around any part of a
> densely populated  
> > urban
> > area, it is because the social engineering of the past
> couple of  
> > generations was wrong; not because of a single elected
> or appointed  
> > police chief or sheriff, etc....bobford
> >
> >
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