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- From: Clansgian AT wmconnect.com
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- Subject: Re: [Homestead] gas prices
- Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:45:52 EDT
> Biofuels have some promise. I don't know about switchgrass, whatever
> that is, but Brazil seems to be doing okay with sugar cane. Any
> thoughts on their secret, James?
I do, and alas, they aren't very encouraging.
To put it into perspective, the rate of private motor vehicle ownership in
Brazil is about 1/25th that of the US. The disparity is stark. It goes
something like this: If we used motorfuel at the same per capita rate it is
used in
Brazil, we would immediately become a major oil exporting nation because our
own dwindling domestic production would be far greater than our consumption.
On the other hand, if Brazil used motor fuel at the same per capita rate we
use it, their entire "independent" supply (petroleum and ethanol) for a year
would be consumed in four weeks.
There are two things about Brazil in this regard. One is that public
transportation is said now of days to be very good and very reliable. An odd
thing
about this is that most of the busses and bus systems are privately owned in
this country that is far more socialist leaning than we are. The per
passenger
mileage in that country is very high.
The second thing is that if you've ever been there or anywhere near there,
you notice that everyone doesn't flit about in an impatient and manic hurry
as
we are used to. If it takes a while to get there, fine.
But even more important that this is that the idea that Brazil distilled its
way to energy independence with sugar cane is largely a myth. And the more's
the pity. Beginning in the late 70's there was a great push by the Brazil's
Petrobras oil ministry (or company, however that works there) to step up oil
exploration and drilling. The result is that now the total amount of ethanol
used in Brazil amounts to only 8% of the energy in all the petroleum they use
(for all purposes, not just motor fuel). Because of the popularity of public
transportation, Brazil uses four times the amount of diesel than gasoline.
In short Brazil didn't distill its way to energy independence, it drilled its
way there.
Oh, for sure, we should emulate Brazil. But that has little to do with where
our fuel comes from and everything to do with how and how much we use.
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices
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- Re: [Homestead] gas prices, KNat, 06/10/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Clansgian, 06/07/2007
- Re: [Homestead] gas prices, Don Bowen, 06/07/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Marie McHarry, 06/07/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Gene GeRue, 06/08/2007
- Re: [Homestead] gas prices, Don Bowen, 06/08/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Gene GeRue, 06/08/2007
- Re: [Homestead] gas prices, Lynda, 06/07/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Clansgian, 06/07/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Gene GeRue, 06/07/2007
- Re: [Homestead] gas prices, Don Bowen, 06/07/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Gene GeRue, 06/07/2007
- Re: [Homestead] gas prices, Clansgian, 06/07/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Clansgian, 06/07/2007
- Re: [Homestead] gas prices, Lynda, 06/07/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Clansgian, 06/07/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Lynda, 06/08/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Marie McHarry, 06/09/2007
- Re: [Homestead] gas prices, Lynda, 06/09/2007
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- Re: [Homestead] gas prices, Rob, 06/09/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Gene GeRue, 06/10/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Marie McHarry, 06/10/2007
- Re: [Homestead] gas prices, Gene GeRue, 06/10/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Marie McHarry, 06/10/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Marie McHarry, 06/09/2007
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Re: [Homestead] gas prices,
Lynda, 06/08/2007
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