homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Homestead mailing list
List archive
- From: Clansgian AT wmconnect.com
- To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [Homestead] Organic and us
- Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:57:44 EDT
Gene:
> We organic purists are unfair to the huge food producers.
I'm not sure I'd say 'unfair'. Analytical, maybe even critical (that is, we
critique it). What I'd point out is simply much of what you stated, the
constraints of reality don't allow a 30000 acre farm to do what I do on a
hundred
square feet of growing bed. I'm only saying that calling our tiny operations
and huge mega-farms both 'organic' is using a very wide brush.
I don't suggest a remedy for it. I don't see one, only that we can
recognize, and bring up when it is apropos, that home grown food on composted
soils is
not going to be the same thing as the organic section of Wal-Mart.
> The only way to return to the
> soil that which leaves the farm as produce would be to do as the
> Chinese: sell concessions to collect city night soil and bring it
> back to the farm as fertilizer.
>
Yes, that's the only way in a sort of absolute sense. But in areas where we
haven't crowded ourselves to distraction, there are other sources of organic
material that can make up for the 'night soil' and other losses. For
example, here there are abundant forests. "Robbing" a bit of organic
material here
and there, leaf mold, rotted stumps, pine needles, creek silt, etc, doesn't
do
the forest overall much harm but greatly increases the fertility of our
modest
plots. Also there are tree trimmings from the power company, grass
clippings, municipal leaf collections, seaweed (not here, but some places),
old hay,
corn stover, and such.
In a sterilized soil agribusiness model almost all the nutrients (as added
chemical salts) are used up by each crop and must be replaced. In organic
soils, the plants can only use a small percent of the potential nutrients
during
the growth of any one crop so there is considerable buffering of the
input/output of organic material. I'm thinking it's the most effective
banking system
there is.
Early on in the present garden (some seventeen years ago) I took out some of
the turf to compost outside the perimeter of the garden. The foolishness of
that was quickly apparent. Since then there has been an M.O. that we never
take any organic material out the garden gates except the food we eat, seeds
we
save, or weeds and waste for animal feed (whose manure comes back). Every
weed
is now viewed as a carbon sink and nitrogen fixer, but it never leaves the
garden. Instead time lapse photography would have shown a steady and
continuous
caravan of material going INTO the garden over the years, hay, sawdust,
manure, straw, leaves, swamp muck, limestone sand, wood ashes. In some areas
of
the garden there is now considerable interest on the account that could be
drawn
down if needs be without putting much back for, hopefully, only a short time.
Most parts of the garden are still not in that state and we have a thrifty
eye on the plots to put back far more than we are taking out.
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us
, (continued)
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Gene GeRue, 06/13/2006
-
[Homestead] Compost versus mulch was Organic and us,
Gene GeRue, 06/13/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Compost versus mulch was Organic and us,
Marie McHarry, 06/13/2006
- Re: [Homestead] Compost versus mulch was Organic and us, Bevanron, 06/14/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Compost versus mulch was Organic and us,
Marie McHarry, 06/13/2006
- Re: [Homestead] Organic and us, Lynda, 06/13/2006
-
[Homestead] Compost versus mulch was Organic and us,
Gene GeRue, 06/13/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Clansgian, 06/17/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Gene GeRue, 06/18/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Marie McHarry, 06/18/2006
-
Message not available
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Gene GeRue, 06/18/2006
- Re: [Homestead] Organic and us, Marie McHarry, 06/18/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Gene GeRue, 06/18/2006
-
Message not available
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Marie McHarry, 06/18/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Gene GeRue, 06/18/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Gene GeRue, 06/13/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Clansgian, 06/18/2006
- Re: [Homestead] Organic and us, Lynda, 06/18/2006
- Re: [Homestead] Organic and us, clhw, 06/18/2006
- Re: [Homestead] Organic and us, Marie McHarry, 06/18/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Clansgian, 06/18/2006
- Re: [Homestead] Organic and us, Gene GeRue, 06/18/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Lynda, 06/21/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Bevanron, 06/21/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Lynda, 06/21/2006
- Re: [Homestead] Organic and us, Bevanron, 06/21/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Lynda, 06/21/2006
-
Re: [Homestead] Organic and us,
Bevanron, 06/21/2006
- Re: [Homestead] Organic and us, Clansgian, 06/18/2006
Archive powered by MHonArc 2.6.24.