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Where does everyone get the idea that the only WMDs are of the nuclear 
variety?   We KNOW Saddam had WMD,s because he USED them.   Without question. 
  What happened to them?   Your guess is as (or better, probably)than mine.
 
And I don't point fingers to excuse anyone.   Merely to point out the 
hypocrasy inherent in griping about what one guy does when not complaining 
about the exact same actions in another.   Complain about both, and I have no 
problem at all.
 
Ray 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynda <lurine AT softcom.net>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:18:19 -0800
Subject: Re: [Homestead] A point of view


What is so hard to understand about pointing fingers at Clinton doesn't 
excuse Bush?

Bush made his State of the Union address (January 29, 2003) fully aware that 
his own State Department described the claims that Iraq was seeking uranium 
from Africa as "highly dubious" and that on January 9, 2002, Hans Blix 
stated there was no "smoking gun" (WMDs).

The White House has admitted that it was wrong to include that claim in his 
SOU address.  They knew the claims were based on forgeries.  The CIA removed 
their part from his SOU address and the State Department removed the claims 
from his SOU address. HE put them back in!

The intelligence reports stated that "Iraq does not yet have a nuclear 
weapon or sufficient material to make one."

The INR stated that "the calims of Iraqi pursuit of natural uranium in 
Africa are, in INR's assessment, highly dubious."

That means he lied.  He choose to disregard what the CIA, Hans Blix and his 
own State Department told him.  On July 13, 2004, he even went so far as to 
say it didn't matter because even thought they didn't have any WMD, they 
could have made them.

Following that logic, everyone has WMD!

Lynda




The CIA voiced doubts about the intelligence from the Brits AND had cut 
using that info from the speech, as had the State Department.  BUSH put it 
back in.  THAT makes it a lie!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rayzentz AT aol.com>
To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] A point of view


> Yep, I figured that you would bring up old news.   Ignored my 
> requirements, didn't you?
>
> !st.   WMD   Clinton and ALL of the dems thought there were WMD's.   Maybe 
> there were, and maybe there weren't (verdict is still out on that one)_ 
> but don't tell me Bush lied on that one.   If he did, then so did every 
> politician in Washington (which incidentally, may be possible, but that is 
> a totally different bucket of worms).
>
> 2nd.   4th amendment does not prevent searches on non-citizens.   Period. 
> If a foreign national is wiretapped, and he calls you...   well, 
> ohmigosh... sucks to be you.   Regardless, no law is broken.   Then you 
> have all of the prosecution of war exceptions, etc, etc.   Now, we can 
> argue about changing those exceptions, if you wish, but a lawbreaker Bush 
> ain't.   At least yet.
>
> When you want to bring up Executive Orders, lets discuss the precedent set 
> by the beloved Bill Clinton before pointing fingers at another president. 
> Everything in proper context, please.
>
> So much for the humble waiting to be taught thus far.
>
> Ray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Bowen <don.bowen AT earthlink.net>
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:17:45 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] A point of view
>
>
> The 4th amendment, illegal search and seizure with wiretaps on US citizens
> without a search warrant.
>
> Overuse of signing statements when he wants to ignore laws passed by 
> congress.
>
> Iraq WMD.
>
> And so on.
>
> Don Bowen                          Awl Knotted Up
> http://www.braingarage.com
>
> My travel journal
> http://www.braingarage.com/Dons/Travels/journal/Journal.html
>
>
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