Corpus-Paul

[Edgar Krentz <ekrentz AT sbcglobal.net>]

Thanks, Mark. I think that your reply supports my
point Romans, Galatians and 2 Corinthians are written
to communities with Jewish people in the mix. 1
Corinthians is more of a problem for me.

But 1 Thessalonians, Philippians and Philemon do not
use OT materials. Hence my point in the first post.
Paul does use the Torah when it is a compelling
argument, does not in other circumst ances. 
Ed Krentz

-- "Mark D. Nanos" <nanosmd AT comcast.net> wrote:

> Edgar,
> In Rom 11:13 Paul writes that he is "speaking to you
> Gentiles" as "the
> apostle to the Gentiles," and proceeds to cite
> Scripture to legitimate his
> arguments. In Gal 4:8 and elsewhere he writes to
> those who formerly
> worshiped idols and who are not circumcised or
> Torah-people, and proceeds to
> cite Scripture to legitimate his arguments. In 1 Cor
> 8--10 he writes to
> people who formerly thought that idols were gods and
> ate idol food, and
> cites Scripture to legitimate his arguments. So I do
> not see how the point
> you suggest in your short submission works in this
> case.
> 
> Regards,
> Mark
> -- 
> Mark D. Nanos, Ph.D.
> Rockhurst University
> Co-Moderator
> http://home.comcast.net/~nanosmd/
> 
> 
> on 1/17/05 7:41 PM, Edgar Krentz at
> ekrentz AT sbcglobal.net wrote:
> 
> > I only wish to make one small comment about what
> Mark
> > wrote in his long submission. I agree that Paul
> > regards the Torah as normative--when he is writing
> to
> > a group that includes Jews who have come to accept
> > Jesus as messiah.
> > 
> > But that is a mark of his arguementation. He does
> not
> > cite or refer to Torah in 1 Thessalonians or in
> > Philippians, when his addressees appear to be
> > gentiles. Clearly Romans and Galatians, and likely
> > both Coreinthian documents included Jews in their
> > congregations. [Philemon does not use the OT!] So
> one
> > perhaps should ask whether Paul's use of the Torah
> is
> > simply a warrant that is useful when addressing
> Jews,
> > but not when addressing gentiles.
> > 
> > Ed Krentz
> > 
> > --- "Mark D. Nanos" <nanosmd AT comcast.net> wrote:
> >> It is clear to me that Paul continued to use the
> >> Torah to teach from, and
> >> that he understood that it was authoritative for
> >> those he addressed in his
> >> letters. Do I need to argue this? He cites Torah
> to
> >> legitimate his
> >> arguments, and he appeals to Torah as
> >> normative--according to his
> >> interpretation of it, of course--for even Torah
> >> requires this exercise, and
> >> cannot simply be quoted so that the meaning is
> self
> >> evident! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago
1100 E. 55th Street
Chicago, IL 60615

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