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  • From: James Hepler <jameshepler AT yahoo.com>
  • To: RTP-area local music and culture <ch-scene AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: confused curmudeon gets it all wrong (was NOTICE: alarmist hits your inbox)
  • Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:28:11 -0800 (PST)



--- Chris Rossi <nospam AT spacelabstudio.com> wrote:

> James Hepler wrote:
> >
> > And who here has the balls to refuse to come out
> when
> > The Wusses play that amphitheatre?
> >
> For the record, this is completely hypothetical.
> Bless James and his
> aggressive marketing.
>
> As far as ATC, the thing that makes me uncomfortable
> about this style of
> development, is as much lip service as governments
> and developers pay to
> good old fashioned urban, mix used development, we
> end up with these
> monolothic structures. Real urban space is a bunch
> of different
> buildings packed in close together all owned by
> different people. These
> huge monolithic, mall-like structures just seem to
> be missing the point.

I see where you're coming from, but these structures
were huge, monolithic, and mall-like to begin with,
no? I could be wrong, but I didn't think that they
demolished all the tobaccy warehouses and built new,
Epcot-style faux tobaccy warehouses in their place.

> So on the one hand, developing downtown is good.
> On the other hand, I
> don't know that this is what we really had in mind.
> I think using the
> word "abhorrent" is hyperbole in this case, though.
> They got it sort of
> right, but in this weirdly post-suburban white
> yuppie myopic kind of way.
>
> Not that I have any clue how to get people to
> develop downtown in the
> right way. Maybe having an ATC or two downtown will
> create the critical
> mass to kickstart an actual downtown. I dunno.
>
> Of course, I think there's a vague notion in
> people's minds that
> revitalizing downtown is somehow going to magically
> improve the lots of
> the people who already live there, rather than just
> moving them around.
> It seems obvious that we're just going to be
> moving poor people
> around Durham again, but maybe it's not as obvious
> to everyone.
>
> Back to work,
> Chris


Good points all around. Thanks!

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