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- From: "Paul Zellmer" <pzellmer AT sc.rr.com>
- To: "'fred burlingame'" <tensorpath AT gmail.com>
- Cc: 'B-Hebrew' <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination
- Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 06:36:27 -0500
Fred,
The answer is in fact simple. It is "no," the Greek LXX does not define the
meaning of the Masoretic text, any more than the versions of the English
translations define it. The LXX is a translation, which means that there is
an interpretive step, which is necessary to take the concept expressed by the
original vocabulary, grammar, and syntax (the last two parts of which your
questions always seem to overlook) and state it (the concept) using the
target vocabulary, grammar, and syntax. Everyone who tries to understand any
language that is foreign to them goes through this interpretive step. All
that written translations of works do is to standardize the interpretation
for those of the target language. The translation is only as good as the
accuracy of the interpretation and its resulting expression. To some degree,
all interpretations have an element of degradation of the original message.
By continually trying to use the LXX to define the Hebrew text, most of us
are actually running into two interpretations. Because most of us are not
native Greek speakers, and definitely not native Koine speakers, we have to
interpret the LXX into English. This adds a new level of degradation of to
an already degraded message.
Hope this helps,
Paul Zellmer
-----Original Message-----
Fred wrote:
In the second clause of Isaiah 40:3, the operative hebrew verb פנה appears;
and generally means "turn" or "face." The septuagint however, uses a
corresponding word meaning "prepare." And hence, the question becomes; does
פנה mean "prepare?" The niv committee apparently prefers that meaning over
"face" or "turn."
I guess the question distills to: does the greek septuagint define the
meaning of the masoretic text hebrew words? It seems like a question
susceptible of a simple "yes" or "no" answer. .... But apparently not.
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[b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
fred burlingame, 12/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
K Randolph, 12/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
fred burlingame, 12/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
K Randolph, 12/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
fred burlingame, 12/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
Paul Zellmer, 12/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
fred burlingame, 12/09/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination, Paul Zellmer, 12/09/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination, fred burlingame, 12/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
fred burlingame, 12/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
Paul Zellmer, 12/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
fred burlingame, 12/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
K Randolph, 12/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
fred burlingame, 12/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
K Randolph, 12/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
Yigal Levin, 12/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
fred burlingame, 12/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] one-to-one rendering of olam,
Hedrick Gary, 12/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] one-to-one rendering of olam,
fred burlingame, 12/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] one-to-one rendering of olam,
Hedrick Gary, 12/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] one-to-one rendering of olam,
fred burlingame, 12/09/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] one-to-one rendering of olam, Gary Hedrick, 12/10/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] one-to-one rendering of olam,
fred burlingame, 12/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] one-to-one rendering of olam,
Hedrick Gary, 12/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] one-to-one rendering of olam,
fred burlingame, 12/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] one-to-one rendering of olam,
Hedrick Gary, 12/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] ejectment vs. extermination,
fred burlingame, 12/09/2010
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