Biblical Hebrew Forum

[K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>]

Pere:

You still have not answered my question.

>
You keep repeating that you made a study, but what good is a study if it is
based on the wrong presuppositions? What standards did you use to determine
that there are no examples of a piel participle of the form mem + two root
letters? This has been my question for the last few posts.

If the reason is the Masoretic points and/or tradition, I have good reason
to reject the results of your study as authoritative, as the Masoretic
points are unquestionably wrong at times, and tradition, well, that’s like
the game of telegraph.

Karl W. Randolph.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com> wrote:

>            (PP) My statement, Karl, is an empirical one.
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>   I did'nt presuppose  anything at all. I only made a deep search of
>>>>> the real structures of Hebrew, those that really exist, the existing
>>>>> patterns of the real Hebrew language...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> And regarding pattern (M + TWO root consonants)....  none is a Pi'el
>>> Participle. NONE!
>>>
>>
>> (KR) Pere, you know that this is not my usual way, I don’t like to keep
>> bugging people when they don’t answer my questions, but here it is again,
>> how do you determine that such a pattern does not exist in Biblical Hebrew?
>> What clues are you using? Please give details, not just blanket statements
>> that don’t mean anything.
>>
>>>
>>>
>> If you don’t answer my questions this time, I’ll have to conclude that you
>> don’t have any reasons for your claim other than possibly tradition and/or
>> the Masoretic points, both of which are bruised reeds.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>   (PP)
>>>>>
>>>> Let us suppose, Karl, that you spent a lot of time to deeply search
> about the English language structure: you read Shakespeare and dozens of
> books, dictionaries and so on.
> Within this research task NO English noun has been found having its plural
> ending in -k.
>  And let us suppose now that someone comes and asks you: Are there in the
> English language any nouns having their plural ending in -k?
>
> What would you tell him as for an answer, Karl?
>
> Maybe you'd say that though you found NO nouns whose plural end is -k .....
> maybe there are some nouns -not yet discovered-  having their plural in -k?
>
> Now, I'm thinking...... if maybe I didn't rightly understand your question.
> Are you asking how I know that NONE of the eleven patterns found in the
> Hebrew language that consist of (M + TWO root consonants) is a Piel
> Participle?
>
> Is just this your precise question?
> Maybe you think that it is possible that a 12th pattern exists -not yet
> discovered-  which is just a Piel Participle?
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Pere Porta
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