Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com>]

(KR)

> Let’s go back to the beginning.
>
> I asked if this were an example of a piel participle.
>
> You said “no” based on your studies.
>
> I have asked for reasons for that “no” and you have yet to answer me.
>
> I can neither agree nor disagree with your claim based on lack of
> information.
>
> As I understand you, you say that there are 11 different verbs that are
> conjugated as a mem followed by two root letters as participles. Can you
> please list them? At this point I ask for all 11 of them. I can then take
> them home and look them up in a concordance as well as electronic searches
> on my computers to see them in their contexts. I want to see them as they
> are actually used, not just a vague claim that I cannot substantiate.
>

(PP)
Remark: not 11 different verbs that are conjugated as a mem followed by two
root letters as participles.
But they are 11 different "patterns", "structures"

 Here there are 9 of them:
www.oham.net/out/P-d/P-d189.html
www.oham.net/out/P-d/P-d191.html
www.oham.net/out/P-d/P-d192.html
www.oham.net/out/P-d/P-d193.html
www.oham.net/out/P-d/P-d194.html
www.oham.net/out/P-d/P-d196.html
www.oham.net/out/P-d/P-d197.html
www.oham.net/out/P-d/P-d198.html
www.oham.net/out/P-d/P-d199.html

--The 10th one isn't available now on the net. It concerns Hiphil
participles of verbs ayin-ayin as we find them in Jr 21:4; Is 44:25 and so
on.
--The 11th one (also not on the net now) refers to Hiphil Participles of
verbs that at a time are lamed-heh (or lamed-yod if you prefer) and peh-yod
-- look at Pr 6:13

Within the 9,000 (nine thousand) patterns I have listed so far, eleven are
build up with M + TWO root letters. And none of them is a Piel participle.
This means, from a reasonable viewpoint, that a pattern (M + two root
consonants) used as a Piel Participle simply DOES NOT exist in the real
Hebrew language.

(Note: We could add an 12th pattern which is a hophal participle: look at Ml
1:11, Jb 11:15 and Is 13:14.)

I hope this helps.

Pere Porta