Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Steve Miller" <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net>]

HH: Some hiphils are strange. There are 
internally causative hiphils. This is evidently a 
strange one. Here is the definition for it in HAL:

        hif: impf. wayaz{e¦q, yaz{–îqu®; impv. 
haz{eq-; inf. haz{–îq: -1. to utter a plaintive 
cry Jb 35:9; -2. to summon (the militia) Ju 
4:10-13; 2S 20:4f; -3. to make a proclamation Jon 
3:7; -4. with acc. to call out to someone Zech 
6:8 cj. 10:9 (w§}az{–îqe¦m, alt. as 2). Ý
        Der. cj. *za{aq, z§{a¦qa¦h.

HH: "To cause me to hear a call for help" might be "to cry out to me."

SM: Thanks Harold. In HAL: What does the cj. 10:9 mean after Zech 6:8? HAL 
gives a different meaning for almost every instance. I would give Zech 6:8 
the same meaning as Job 35:9 "By reason of the multitude of oppressions they 
make the oppressed to cry" (AKJV)

HH: This might be a case like section 27.3c in Waltke-O'Connor describes, 
where a Hiphil verb expecting two objects drops one. Just as a verb that is 
ordinarily transitive in the Qal can appear without an object, so Hiphils 
that normally take two objects can appear with only one, which is usually a 
person. Waltke-O'Connor give the following as examples of "three place 
predicates" (one subject and two objects):

1) They stripped Joseph of his coat (they caused Joseph to put off his coat) 
(Gen 37:23).
2) You shall cause this people to inherit the land (Josh 1:6).

HH: As examples of this type of verb where one object is dropped, they give:

1) Did I not inform you (lit. "cause you to hear") (Isa. 44:8).

2) just as he showed you (lit., "caused you to see") on the mount (Ex 27:8)

3) I teach you (lit., "Cause you to know") today (Prov 22:19).

SM: In all these, the 2nd object, is not really dropped. It is implied. 


HH: So here the verb might take another object "cry," but it might be dropped:

"He caused me to hear a cry."

SM: I don't know enough to say that it is not possible. But it is not as 
straightforward as "caused me to cry".

HH: This could be equivalent to "He summoned" me, as Kelton said, or "He 
implored me," "alerted me," "signaled me." Whether verbs take prepositions is 
often a feature of a specific language. Verbal ideas that in one language 
take a preposition might not in another language. So there could be in Hebrew 
ideas like "he yelled me," "he screamed me," or something like that (caused 
me to hear a yell, scream, etc.).

SM: I have never seen "he yelled me" etc in the Hebrew. If you know of a case 
please show me. I searched for "to me" in KJV. There were too many to look 
exhaustively at, but looking at the first 50 or so, all were in Hebrew as לִי 
or אֵלַי. (lamed yod  or  aleph lamed yod)

By the way, I notice that in your replies, the Hebrew Unicode is messed up. 
Are you seeing the Hebrew?

Thanks,
-Steve Miller
Detroit