Biblical Hebrew Forum

[George F Somsel <gfsomsel AT juno.com>]

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:37:03 -0500 "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>
writes:
> George:
> 
> Besides this list, I also am on a couple of lists connected with 
> hobbies and work. The vocabulary that I use for the different 
> subjects differs noticeably, 
> but the style of writing is recognizeably similar. However, there 
> are even some differences in style. My writing style changes by 
> subject matter and 
> audience even though certain aspects remain constant (e.g. I tend to 
> use long, run on sentences. And I have gotten to the habit of 
> starting sentences 
> with an “And” to show continuation of thought.)
> 
> One of my professors commented that had it not been for the naming 
> of Cyrus, there is no stylistic reason to assume two authors. There 
> is a shift in 
> emphasis leading to a shift in vocabulary used, “but whoever the 
> redactor was who combined the two works under one name made a very 
> good call” 
> because the authors’ styles are almost identical. That professor not 
> only talked about a second Isaiah, but also a third.
> 
> Yes, I have noticed a slight change in style, but I have always 
> attributed it to a change in emphasis, and the stylistic change is 
> so minor that it can be 
> explained by that change in emphasis.
> 
> As for your theological claims, beyond mentioning that I do not find 
> them logically nor philosophically coherant, I do not wish to argue 
> them on list. 
> There is no reason to assume that the God who created the space-time 
> continuum with all its laws in the first place, would not suspend 
> them from 
> time to time if it fits his purposes in his communication with his 
> creation—man. And that includes naming names in prophecy. This is 
> not a question of 
> probabilities, not even possibilities, but what did God say he did?
> 
> Karl W. Randolph.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George F Somsel" <gfsomsel AT juno.com>
> > 
> > 
> > Karl,
> > 
> > As the moral law is "written" in the heart of man so also the 
> natural law
> > is revealed in the operations of the universe which reveal God's
> > faithfulness.  It does not reveal a capriciousness which manifests 
> itself
> > in intervening whenever the pool ball needs to be nudged toward 
> the
> > proper pocket.  It does not reveal a tendency to satisfy idle 
> curiosity
> > regarding names and dates, etc.  Ask yourself just what purpose it 
> would
> > serve to reveal the name of Josiah long before his appearance.  It 
> is far
> > more probable that the prophecy as originally uttered mentioned 
> no
> > specific name but that the name was supplied after the fact.  Do 
> you
> > object because this seems to you to take some of the 
> marvellousness from
> > it?  Considering the balance of power at the time, wouldn't it be
> > sufficiently amazing without the name?  I know, you balk at 
> sacrificing
> > the idea that the very words are divinely inspired and infallible. 
>  Just
> > where do you get this notion?  Not from the scriptures (besides, 
> are we
> > to suppose that a thing is the case simply because it is asserted 
> to be
> > so?)  I'm sure you are of the opinion that I don't hold the 
> scriptures to
> > be "the word of the Lord."  This is not the case.  I simply have 
> a
> > different view of what this word happens to be and how it came to 
> be.
> > You claim to have read through the TANAK in (unpointed) Hebrew a 
> number
> > of times and to have developed a sense of the changes which the 
> language
> > has undergone over time (according to the traditional 
> understanding) and
> > yet you can't distinguish the style of 1st Isaiah and 2nd Isaiah?  
> I find
> > that amazing.
> > 
> > george
> > gfsomsel
___________________________________________________________

Karl,

You say that the mention of Cyrus is the only reason to assume that there
are two authors.  Then why does 2nd Isaiah depict the return of the
captives as a second exodus in procession back to their homeland?  Why
does it state in Is 48.7 (playing upon the theme of the exodus and Sinai)

(aT.fH NiB:R)W. W:Lo) M")fZ 
Now you are created and not of old.

It would seem that this presumes an entirely different situation.  

george
gfsomsel
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> > Can someone explain why the transliteration guideline above has the
> > alphabet
> > ordered as Samek  Pe  Ayin  instead of Samek Ayin Pe? thanks.
> > -Steve Miller
> > _______________________________________________
>
> How about "someone goofed"?  It happens.  No harm, no foul.
>
> george
> gfsomsel
> ___________

thanks George. I was hoping it might explain why Lamentations chapters 2,3,4
have the same order: Samek Pe Ayin.
-Steve