Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>]

Yigal:

Yes, I’d like to see your .pdf files, right now I’m disagreeing with it 
without knowing all its details. There may be someting I miss.

On the question of the genealogical tables, it is my understanding that they 
survived until the burning of the temple under Titus. Thus the writer of 
Chronicles could have used them when he wrote ca. 500 B.C.E.

Karl W. Randolph.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Yigal Levin" <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>

> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>
> 
> 
> > George:
> >
> > The question is not the identity of Ephraim, nor that of his son Bery'ah,
> but how should we read the text?
> >
> > I understand that Chronicles was written after the Babylonian Exile,
> making use of the genealogical tables that were still extant at that time
> (notice their use in Ezra). As such, it is no surprise to find names out of
> temporal sequence, much the same was as if I were to write about Henry
> Hudson's visit to New York.
> >
> 
> The Chronicler did not have "genealogical tables that were still extant at
> that time". He used the genealogical information availible in the Torah and
> some other biblical books, may have had some lists of the royal family and
> the priesthood, but beyond that he had mostly the oral traditions of the
> descendants of the tribes still living in the Land - including the remnants
> of Ephraim and Asher. Please read my paper:
> "Who Was the Chronicler's Audience? - A Hint from his Genealogies", Journal
> of Biblical Literature 122 (2003), 229-245.
> 
> If you wish I can email you a PDF copy.
> 
> 
> > My reading of the text indicates that the event of Ephraim losing his sons
> occured in Egypt itself, not in Canaan. Further, the "men of Gath" were the
> Egyptian born sons of people from Gath who had settled in Egypt.
> 
> What evidence is there that anyone from any Gath (which one, by the way)
> ever settled in Egypt? Would the Egyptians have allowed the Asiatic tribes
> in Egypt to fight each other?
> 
> >
> > But who was this "daughter" $)RH and how does she fit in the picture? Was
> she a notable descendant mentioned because she founded the towns in Canaan
> after the Exodus under Moses? Or was she an immediate daughter of Ephraim,
> and the towns in question were temporary towns for Israelites while still in
> Egypt? Right now, I lean towards the former.
> >
> 
> She was a matriarchal eponym of an Asherite clan that found itself in
> Ephraimite territory. Women's names are often used in genealogies in order
> to signify the transfer of sub-groups from one "tribe" to another.
> 
> Yigal
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