Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Peter Kirk" <peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com>]

Clay, my new point proves my old one. The old point was that Hebrew N$Q
*might* be represented by a euphemism in LXX, without the need for positing
textual corruption. My new point is that it actually has been, certainly in
1 Kings 19:18 and probably in Hosea 13:2. QED.

As for your final question, I don't need a new topic heading to say "yes".
But some of the distinctions they make are debatable, especially when BDB
multiplies conjectured roots rather than allows for semantic variation among
words derived from one root.

Peter Kirk
peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com
http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-hebrew-
> bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of c stirling bartholomew
> Sent: 29 May 2003 03:34
> To: Biblical Hebrew
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] ur-textual possibilities between MT and LXX onPsa.
> 2:12
> 
> on 5/28/03 3:02 PM, Peter Kirk wrote:
> 
> > Maybe. You have missed EKLELOIPASIN in Hos 13:2
> 
> No I didn't miss it, I ignored it. EKLELOIPASIN, makes no sense whatsoever
> as a rendering of yishaqun. As evidence it falls into the category of
> "noise."
> 
> 
> > Also the sense "arm oneself" in 1CH 12:2; 2CH 17:17; PSA 78:9
> > just might be relevant.
> 
> Again, I saw these and ignored them since K&B (aka, HALOT) & BDB list
> these
> citations under a second heading. They are not useful as evidence that
> nshq
> when it means "kiss" in the MT is rendered euphemistically in the LXX.
> They
> are not "noise"  like EKLELOIPASIN in Hos 13:2, they are just irrelevant
> to
> the question of euphemisms for kiss in the LXX.
> 
> > But I see these data as proving my point.
> 
> Then I am not sure what your point is. The original issue was a Hebrew
> word
> meaning  "kiss" might be rendered euphemistically in Psa. 2:12 LXX. That
> point has not been sustained.
> 
> >Sure, the LXX translators used a
> > literal word for "kiss" in the context of proper family relationships,
> and
> > where the context is clearly disapproving as in Proverbs 7:13. But in
> the
> > three places, 1Ki 19:18, Hos 13:2 and Psa 2:12 where the context might
> be
> > taken as encouraging "immoral" kissing, the translation has been
> adjusted in
> > one way or another. Coincidence? But maybe the reason for the confused
> > solutions in LXX is that the euphemisms had been introduced into the
> Hebrew
> > text the translators were using.
> 
> You are now trying to sustain a new point about euphemisms in the Hebrew
> text. That is a new topic.
> 
> enough already,
> 
> Thanks Peter, this has been a useful exchange. I learned a few things.
> 
> Clay
> 
> PS
> 
> Will someone please under a different topic heading explain to me what the
> large roman numerals in the articles of BDB and K&B mean? Do they indicate
> different "words" with the same graphic form?
> 
> --
> Clayton Stirling Bartholomew
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